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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by bruno718 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:51 pm

freedomrox wrote:On this day, I feel compelled to speak. I agree with your work Ry. I agree with many of your conclusions as well as suppositions, but i haver been and never will be anyone's cheerleader... You know, like Bush was in college?

Before 9/11 happened, I had already figured out that a false flag operation was to be carried out, just as was set forth with the PNAC report put out the year before. I used to troll most inter-governmental websites, .mil, DoD, and if you look at the mostly "No-Bid" contracts then it is very easy to predict coming trends. I still do this to this day, but not as much sense in it since we know war, war, war, is the usual order of the day.

Prior to 9/11, this was not true. Beses were being closed daily in the 90's all over the US and Europe. So a weakened military force was presented to the world, since the Ruble and the USSR's economy fell, (which was a common hit job, similar to what is taking place here in the US now). That is, until the creation of the USS Cole incident following the famous Embassy bombing. Most of us in the so called Truth in Government Movement of the time saw it as a passing of the torch from the war-mongers of the past and the initiation of a much more sinister agenda with the coming of the Neo Conservatives, (an oxymoron if there ever was one).

In February of 2001, I then found the PNAC Rebuilding America's Defenses, whose website was deeply embedded in DoD's own links. I thought to myself that this should be some dry reading and just another RAND Think Tank document. Imagine my surprise when a plan for conquering the Middle East arose with perfect clarity and even how they were to accomplish it. "New Paerl Harbor" really jumped out at me, and I contaced Bill Cooper, of whom I listened to on the road for years and was a caller to his show. After he found he had been duped about Majestix 12, I told him what i thought, and what the stated objectives were. After reading all of the document, Bill went on air and predicted an attack. When I called in, he asked me where i thought they would take place at, half jokingly, and I answered, "Ask Ramsi Yousef?" It was a supossition, but turned out to be an accurate one.

We all know the downhill spiral of Bill after he began propounding this theory, and then it actually happened. I remember sitting up that morning and my wife remembers me saying, over and over, "Oh my God, they actually did it!"

So, to all of the people who think they know it all about that day...well, if you had actually been watching and recording a lot of the news coverage that very day, then you had more than a clue as to what really was happening....and knew a lot of the names prior to 9/11, then I would agree with you. Hearing the Official Conspiracy Theory being spun that day was a sight to see. I mean, C'mon, Jerome Hauer just so happened to be hanging around to pitch this absurd theory? Of course he was, because HE knew. This just so happens after Rumsfeld states 2.3 Trillion dollars cannot be accounted for at the Pentagon? Hell, we know what that money was used to finance now, don't we?

There, to this day, has barely been any deviation from the original plan set forth by PNAC, only the goals did not turn out as rosey as they thought, but better than expected. The poppy field profits, pipeline building, and murder of millions of brown people continues to the moment.

In conclusion, I don't need to know every detail of what happened that day, as it was just a trigger effect, just as Waco was for domestic terror legislation by Clinton's admin. As long as these illegal elements of Government are allowed to exist, so will the 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theory exist, and so long as this Govt. exists in this form, then so too will these illegal elements exists.

All that is left for me to say, is "Thank You" to all the brave and inspirational people that did their homework long before 9/11 and have been shouting their warnings since 1913, but especially to all of my fallen friends and heroes that were there in the late Eighties with me. To the few of us still going, I say to you, "Hell we tried to warn them, and we tried to make two generations open their own eyes, but sometimes, you just have to accept that we did all we could do, and continue to do even now."

Someday....maybe.

that's a beautiful post. and we have to keep trying. someday, someday....
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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by Whirled Peas » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:55 pm

Rod Hemmington wrote:No, no, peas don't say it! :oops: I've fought too long and hard :lol: to regain a modicum :o of modesty. Now, if I was 20 years younger...
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bruno718 wrote:
freedomrox wrote:Someday....maybe.

that's a beautiful post. and we have to keep trying. someday, someday....
I completely agree

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by PlutoCharon » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:06 pm

Rod Hemmington wrote:Jeez, WTF did I do?! If you actually read my posts you would know my profession. Does that make you a liar, or just a poor reader? The fact that you still don't understand my original point, after supposedly reading my posts, suggests the latter. Gay-bashing? Really! Is this a homophobic site? "realistic facts" is an oxymoron.
I followed some of the back-and-forth over whether the planes' parts matched elsewhere on the net, and voiced the one side that was lacking in some earlier posts here. And what do I get from you? The bald and violent assertion of one side with no recognition of the other. What circle do you move in that actually responds well to such ham-fisted attempts at intimidation?
I imagine Ry is proud of you. But I doubt we have much to gain by speaking together again. Apparently, you just want to fuck me.
Gay-bashing? WTF are you talking about? Typical pathological liar, there you go putting words in my mouth that I never said. My brother is gay and I love my brother like a brother. I have nothing against gay people. Jim Fetzer has a gay son and you sound like Jim Fetzer therefore I asked an honest question about Fetzer's gay son. Do you hate your son Mr. Fetzer? You're a bigoted asshole so I bet the answer is yes.

I'm not a poor reader, you're just a poor loser like I said. I knew you would respond with that. All you psychopaths do. You're all the same. Predictable, lame, pathetic. Nobody wants to fuck you. Man, women, squirrel, etc. That's part of the problem. And it is also why you are a pedophile. Yes, Mr. Fetzer, you are a pedophile and a registered sex offender. All you psychopaths are. You hate your gay son but you love little boys. Ironic, eh?

Thanks for proving me right asshole. Do us all a favor and kill yourself. Seriously, hang yourself from that tree -------> yeah that one. That's a good one. I'll wait. I'm waiting. Are you dead yet? I hope so.

9/11/11 is over on the East coast. Ten years of bigotry and lies and wars and assholes like Rod. Fuck you Rod, I hope you die tonight. I pray to your YHWH that you die. Psychopaths aren't human anyways so morally nobody should feel pity for you.

The Pentagon was hit by an airplane. It makes the most sense as the simplest explanation often does. Let me guess, you love nano thermite as a straw man too. How did I know? Because the last Fetzer asshole that was here also fixated on it and then Fetzer 'coincidentally' wrote an op-ed about it. Fetzer should go on a diet by the way. He is very fat. He has at least seven chins. Maybe eight.

9/11 was a Neocon and Zionist job. Israel and the infiltrated DoD in the Bush admin. Those fuckers will hang within our lifetimes. Hopefully you will too. Ten years of wars and over a million dead civilians and broke USA (and EU). And assholes like you supporting media fakery and missile bullshit. Kill yourself please. Please kill yourself. I hate you. Die now. Please YHWH or Amun/Amen, whoever is out there, kill these assholes.

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by Oneismany » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:10 pm

War by Deception Director's Cut:
"This video contains content from the Hearst Television Inc and BBC Motion Gallery (MVR), one or more of whom have blocked it on copyright grounds."

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by Whirled Peas » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:15 pm

PlutoCharon wrote:
Rod Hemmington wrote:Jeez, WTF did I do?! If you actually read my posts you would know my profession. Does that make you a liar, or just a poor reader? The fact that you still don't understand my original point, after supposedly reading my posts, suggests the latter. Gay-bashing? Really! Is this a homophobic site? "realistic facts" is an oxymoron.
I followed some of the back-and-forth over whether the planes' parts matched elsewhere on the net, and voiced the one side that was lacking in some earlier posts here. And what do I get from you? The bald and violent assertion of one side with no recognition of the other. What circle do you move in that actually responds well to such ham-fisted attempts at intimidation?
I imagine Ry is proud of you. But I doubt we have much to gain by speaking together again. Apparently, you just want to fuck me.
Gay-bashing? WTF are you talking about? Typical pathological liar, there you go putting words in my mouth that I never said. My brother is gay and I love my brother like a brother. I have nothing against gay people. Jim Fetzer has a gay son and you sound like Jim Fetzer therefore I asked an honest question about Fetzer's gay son. Do you hate your son Mr. Fetzer? You're a bigoted asshole so I bet the answer is yes.

I'm not a poor reader, you're just a poor loser like I said. I knew you would respond with that. All you psychopaths do. You're all the same. Predictable, lame, pathetic. Nobody wants to fuck you. Man, women, squirrel, etc. That's part of the problem. And it is also why you are a pedophile. Yes, Mr. Fetzer, you are a pedophile and a registered sex offender. All you psychopaths are. You hate your gay son but you love little boys. Ironic, eh?

Thanks for proving me right asshole. Do us all a favor and kill yourself. Seriously, hang yourself from that tree -------> yeah that one. That's a good one. I'll wait. I'm waiting. Are you dead yet? I hope so.

9/11/11 is over on the East coast. Ten years of bigotry and lies and wars and assholes like Rod. Fuck you Rod, I hope you die tonight. I pray to your YHWH that you die. Psychopaths aren't human anyways so morally nobody should feel pity for you.

The Pentagon was hit by an airplane. It makes the most sense as the simplest explanation often does. Let me guess, you love nano thermite as a straw man too. How did I know? Because the last Fetzer asshole that was here also fixated on it and then Fetzer 'coincidentally' wrote an op-ed about it. Fetzer should go on a diet by the way. He is very fat. He has at least seven chins. Maybe eight.

9/11 was a Neocon and Zionist job. Israel and the infiltrated DoD in the Bush admin. Those fuckers will hang within our lifetimes. Hopefully you will too. Ten years of wars and over a million dead civilians and broke USA (and EU). And assholes like you supporting media fakery and missile bullshit. Kill yourself please. Please kill yourself. I hate you. Die now. Please YHWH or Amun/Amen, whoever is out there, kill these assholes.
Dude you are looking like a nutcase. Are you okay? Take a lude and have a snooze. It's over now. It's all over now.

Hopefully everyone here today was able to convince one person that the 9/11 story told to us 10 years ago is a farce and that an investigation should happen. Cuz that is ALL that really matters.

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by PlutoCharon » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:25 pm

Whirled Peas wrote:
PlutoCharon wrote:
Rod Hemmington wrote:Jeez, WTF did I do?! If you actually read my posts you would know my profession. Does that make you a liar, or just a poor reader? The fact that you still don't understand my original point, after supposedly reading my posts, suggests the latter. Gay-bashing? Really! Is this a homophobic site? "realistic facts" is an oxymoron.
I followed some of the back-and-forth over whether the planes' parts matched elsewhere on the net, and voiced the one side that was lacking in some earlier posts here. And what do I get from you? The bald and violent assertion of one side with no recognition of the other. What circle do you move in that actually responds well to such ham-fisted attempts at intimidation?
I imagine Ry is proud of you. But I doubt we have much to gain by speaking together again. Apparently, you just want to fuck me.
Gay-bashing? WTF are you talking about? Typical pathological liar, there you go putting words in my mouth that I never said. My brother is gay and I love my brother like a brother. I have nothing against gay people. Jim Fetzer has a gay son and you sound like Jim Fetzer therefore I asked an honest question about Fetzer's gay son. Do you hate your son Mr. Fetzer? You're a bigoted asshole so I bet the answer is yes.

I'm not a poor reader, you're just a poor loser like I said. I knew you would respond with that. All you psychopaths do. You're all the same. Predictable, lame, pathetic. Nobody wants to fuck you. Man, women, squirrel, etc. That's part of the problem. And it is also why you are a pedophile. Yes, Mr. Fetzer, you are a pedophile and a registered sex offender. All you psychopaths are. You hate your gay son but you love little boys. Ironic, eh?

Thanks for proving me right asshole. Do us all a favor and kill yourself. Seriously, hang yourself from that tree -------> yeah that one. That's a good one. I'll wait. I'm waiting. Are you dead yet? I hope so.

9/11/11 is over on the East coast. Ten years of bigotry and lies and wars and assholes like Rod. Fuck you Rod, I hope you die tonight. I pray to your YHWH that you die. Psychopaths aren't human anyways so morally nobody should feel pity for you.

The Pentagon was hit by an airplane. It makes the most sense as the simplest explanation often does. Let me guess, you love nano thermite as a straw man too. How did I know? Because the last Fetzer asshole that was here also fixated on it and then Fetzer 'coincidentally' wrote an op-ed about it. Fetzer should go on a diet by the way. He is very fat. He has at least seven chins. Maybe eight.

9/11 was a Neocon and Zionist job. Israel and the infiltrated DoD in the Bush admin. Those fuckers will hang within our lifetimes. Hopefully you will too. Ten years of wars and over a million dead civilians and broke USA (and EU). And assholes like you supporting media fakery and missile bullshit. Kill yourself please. Please kill yourself. I hate you. Die now. Please YHWH or Amun/Amen, whoever is out there, kill these assholes.
Dude you are looking like a nutcase. Are you okay? Take a lude and have a snooze. It's over now. It's all over now.

Hopefully everyone here today was able to convince one person that the 9/11 story told to us 10 years ago is a farce and that an investigation should happen. Cuz that is ALL that really matters.
I am a nutcase Whirled Peas. It's also partially the alcohol :? Really, I'm just trying to push that Rod guy's buttons. He's a disinfo troll and the only way to deal with them is not to play by their rules. I will take your advice and snooze though. Sorry bout that. You're right, it's all over. Not a single shat was given by most people either, (sadly) most people are talking about Jersey Shore and last Thursday's episode. True story

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by Too Much Information » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:31 pm

Ry wrote:OK fine lets debate the facts

Do you even have any?

Where is there ANY evidence for a missile at the pentagon? NO
Is there any for a plane? Yes Namely the parts of the same fucking plane in the building. The people on the plane who are all dead, about 50 eye witnesses none of whom saw a missile, a giant 90foot long hole in the first floor fitting a PLANE, a plane tracked right to that spot on the radar, and then DNA of the people who were on it in the building as well as the black box of the PLANE in the wreckage.


How the Hell can you claim no planes were used in NY?
Criket chrips.

Fetzer claims there were no planes at all. OK that flies in the face of independent national and international media, physical evidence a city full of eye witnesses, missing planes, dead passengers, and parts of the planes recovered, BUT hey let's just ignore the fact and cry about how I called you STUPID for supporting something that IS STUPID.

Fetzer claims there were mini nukes used in the WTC ok so where is the radiation? Oh wait there isn't any. "theory" debunked.

Have you any actual facts does it tie in the the whole picture of Iraq and Anthrax and everything else? No no and no.
" Namely the parts of the same fucking plane in the building." - No.

"The people on the plane who are all dead" -There was no plane.

"about 50 eye witnesses none of whom saw a missile" - You have their names and numbers?

"a giant 90foot long hole in the first floor fitting a PLANE" - not wide enough for a plane

"a plane tracked right to that spot on the radar" - according to who?

"and then DNA of the people who were on it in the building as well as the black box of the PLANE in the wreckage." - fabricated evidence (yes, it happens)

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"Fetzer claims there were no planes at all. OK that flies in the face of independent national and international media" - turn off your tv. It's lying to you.

" physical evidence" - ???

" a city full of eye witnesses" - you know this how? the tv? you have a list of these people and their contacts?

"missing planes" - precisely

"dead passengers" - no evidence of that.

" and parts of the planes recovered" - not the right type of plane unfortunately. again, planted evidence (again, it happens and, believe it or not, evidence was fabricated on 9/11/01)

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by Whirled Peas » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:32 pm

PlutoCharon wrote:I am a nutcase Whirled Peas. It's also partially the alcohol :? Really, I'm just trying to push that Rod guy's buttons. He's a disinfo troll and the only way to deal with them is not to play by their rules. I will take your advice and snooze though. Sorry bout that. You're right, it's all over. Not a single shat was given by most people either, (sadly) most people are talking about Jersey Shore and last Thursday's episode. True story

Oh ! :) Well done sir!

night night PC!

Oh and one last thing, you would NOT believe the stupid story that made the news here. Talk about dis info! I am saddened to no end and I saw everyone fall for it. People are thanking god today!

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by Too Much Information » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:59 am

Rod Hemmington wrote:
Ry wrote:OK fine lets debate the facts

Do you even have any?

Where is there ANY evidence for a missile at the pentagon? NO
Is there any for a plane? Yes Namely the parts of the same fucking plane in the building. The people on the plane who are all dead, about 50 eye witnesses none of whom saw a missile, a giant 90foot long hole in the first floor fitting a PLANE, a plane tracked right to that spot on the radar, and then DNA of the people who were on it in the building as well as the black box of the PLANE in the wreckage.
I never asked for a debate of the facts, which, by definition, are not debatable. Evidence is, however. Since I didn't notice any references, I'll go by memory, too. As I recall, certain engine parts found at the pentagon did not match those of the plane that is supposed to have hit it. Similarly, the wheels did not match. The few video frames made available (a curiosity in itself) show a trail of white smoke, which a jet engine would not produce at sea level, and is more in keeping with what a missile would produce. Remembering that eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable, witnesses off-site reported seeing the plane traveling a different route than that reported by the black box. A variety of aviation experts have pronounced that the flight path as released from the black box is impossible to execute, due to the lack of the maneuverability of the plane required to follow the supposed path at the supposed speed, and "ground effect". The size and length of the hole have also met with respectable scepticism.
Ry wrote:How the Hell can you claim no planes were used in NY?
Criket chrips.

Fetzer claims there were no planes at all. OK that flies in the face of independent national and international media, physical evidence a city full of eye witnesses, missing planes, dead passengers, and parts of the planes recovered, BUT hey let's just ignore the fact and cry about how I called you STUPID for supporting something that IS STUPID.
Your name-calling does me no injury. I just think it projects a variety of hysteria that detracts from the movement's image. It's ugly, but has a certain utility, as I described in earlier posts. There is a helicopter video which fails to show the second plane at all. There are witnesses, on tape, who've said certainly that one or another of the planes was not a commercial plane (color, markings, windows). This is evidence which gives thoughtful people pause to consider, and be considerate toward those in the movement who, for whatever reason, like to focus on it.

Fetzer! Fetzer! Fetzer! I am not a Fetzer apologist. I do not advocate for--or against--anyone. I advocate for a balanced and thoughtful consideration of the evidence; and against jumping to conclusions. If Fetzer is a disinfo agent, what is his purpose? To give a black eye to the movement in order to discourage those on the outside who might consider joining; and to divide those within the movement against each other in order to dissipate the movement's energy. You play into their hands by berating the likes of Fetzer. The solution is to accept the fringes of the movement with repectfully-stated reservations and explanations. What does it matter WHY each soldier acts, as long as long as they act in concert?
Ry wrote:Fetzer claims there were mini nukes used in the WTC ok so where is the radiation? Oh wait there isn't any. "theory" debunked.
On general principle, technology advances. What might this mean in the specific case of nuclear weapons technology? I think it would mean yield control and the reduction of undesirable side effects, like long-lasting radiation. "Clean" micro nukes in the sub-basement at the base of the core columns? If they were high-neutron types the radiation would dissipate quickly. It is an attractive notion because little else accounts for the molten steel reported by multiple firefighters--except maybe a few tons of thermate. Explosions in the basement before the plane impact? 1500° temperatures 6 weeks afterward? How do you account for these facts? Those who employ an uncomfortable degree of speculation in an effort to account for such anomalies--and they must be accounted for--don't deserve to be so violently ostracized.
Ry wrote:Have you any actual facts does it tie in the the whole picture of Iraq and Anthrax and everything else? No no and no.
Iraq and anthrax offer no evidence as to the who and how of 9/11--though there are many suggestive connections. The fact that the government benefited from 9/11 is still pretty poor evidence that it was complicit in 9/11--better evidence exists for that.
Excellent post, thank you.

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Re: Why 911 still matters

Post by Too Much Information » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:24 am

Flight 93 crater supposedly made by a plane.
NOTE: Absence of plane.

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