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Re: Help us get the beach open!

Post by EndAllApartheid » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:02 am

Love the slogan its more about take a vacation don't labor in slavery. Makes it so simple, to the point and up front.

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Re: Help us get the beach open!

Post by Ry » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:29 am

From ROn Patozz

Brother, I am Skypeless. Just a little 411: Long Beach Island is a typical barrier island, approximately 18 miles long and 4 to 10 blocks wide. There is only a single road access onto the center of the island from the mainland. Most of LBI is inhabited, with approximately 20 little towns dotted north to south. Although the entire beach is "public", many of the northern beaches have very limited access due to private property, and parking restrictions along the main road...You have to hike from a public access point to enjoy those areas. The southern most region, known as Holgate Beach to Beach Haven Inlet is the area affected by the pickled pecker. This stretch covers approximately 2+ miles of beach.

We have a small house on LBI that my wife and I purchased 8 years ago. And although I have been vacationing on LBI since I was a little guy, I know little about how and when they put the "law" into place. I am sure it is tied into its status and funding as a National Wildlife Refuge. This is one of the nicest portions of beach on the island with a southeastern exposure. It is a favorite surf break, beach combing, and fishing spot for locals and visitors alike. While the beach is open to foot and vehicle traffic (Oct 1 - April 30) you may not bring dogs or metal detectors. And of course, like all areas of the island, the dunes are already off limits and carry heavy fines if trespassed upon. If you look on the general area map you will see the southern most portion of the island is part of the Edwin B. Forsythe National Wildlife Refuge. The General Area Map is about 4/5's of the way down the page on the following link.

http://www.fws.gov/northeast/forsythe/L ... IFE_REFUGE

All that being said, my understanding is that this protected shorebird nests in the dune areas, not within the tide line. When open, foot and vehicle traffic is restricted to the "beach"...So my question has always been WHY THE CLOSURE?! You probably have more research under your belt on this issue than I do. I think ours in NJ is a lost cause, but I will be happy to support you in your efforts when I am not trying to take back our country from the neocons, the zionists, and the Communists. We'll make a little noise from PA if you think it will help.

Finally, great channel. Keep up the good work. It is a tall order trying to educate sheep. I have dedicated my life to securing liberty for my children and future generations. I will educate as many people as I can along the way. If you are not already, please join Campaign for Liberty and look me up there under the same name: robpatozz. Thanks for reaching out.
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Re: Help us get the beach open!

Post by Ry » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:30 pm

Obviously a committee selected by the park service is about as valid as asking two wolves and a sheep to vote on what's for dinner.

This issue should even be up to self appointed committees. The LAW states that Cape Hatteras National Parks are recreation areas. The park service is to maintain access to these recreational areas not negotiate as to how much of the year they will remain recreational or with what restrictions.

Not one member on the Park Services committee to "represent people with different stakes" is a native not ONE! And they don't represent the interest of the people on the Island and the few who do normally just sit there like cowards trying to grab straws and pick up crumbs from under the table instead of letting them have it.

Every meeting I went to I was censored from speaking and not allowed to film. And they have to have half the police fore there with them, because they know what they are doing in criminal.

Look everyone let's make this clear. The Park Service is NOT and never has been on our side. The Park Service got 371 thousand dollars to police this thing and that money did not go to cops it went to their general fund meaning their own bonuses and administrative payroll.

The goal is to Privatize a formerly publicly accessible beach and profit from either parking or permits to go to the beach. That is what they are really doing and we all know it.

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These little men sit up there on TV arguing endlessly about semantics and their judgments of how they are going to rule over YOUR livelihood. They have no right or jurisdiction. The purpose of the Park Service in regards to our Federally created Nation Recreational Areas is to maintain access. And they are doing nothing but restricting it. The Wildlife kooks have no claim to the area no matter what birds live there because it is not a wild life preserve it is a preservation of nature FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECREATION. That is the LAW.

Judge Boyle is nothing but an activist judge in trouble with the law himself.
read it http://centerforinvestigativereporting. ... eethicslaw
and this http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/05/01/boyle/
And Boyle was voted out of Committee on a 10-8 party line vote. The guy should not only not be a judge he should be in jail.

“In March 2004 … He Also Ruled In Favor Of Midway Airlines In A Bankruptcy Case. At That Time, Boyle Owned Stock In Midway In A Trust Account. (The Stock Was Basically Worthless Because Of The Bankruptcy, Though He Still Listed It As A Financial Investment.)”(Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
“On Sept. 17, 2004, He Ruled Against Deborah Virgil, Whose 11-Year-Old Son, Craig, Had Been Hit And Killed By An Amtrak Train In Elm City, N.C., In March 2003.” (Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
“Virgil Sued The Conductor, Amtrak And CSX Transportation, The Company That Owned And Operated The Tracks. Boyle Reported Stock Holdings In Parent Company CSX Corp. While He Presided Over The Case.” (Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
“Starting In 2002, Terrence W. Boyle, A Longtime Federal District Court Judge In North Carolina, Presided Over A Lawsuit Against General Electric, In Which The Corporation Stood Accused Of Illegally Denying Disability Benefits To A Long-Standing Employee.” (Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
“Deep Into The Case, On Jan. 15, 2004, Judge Boyle Bought Stock In General Electric, According To A Review Of His Financial Filings. Two Months Later, He Made His Ruling: Boyle Shot Down The Plaintiff's Claims … Granting Him Only A Fraction Of The Money In Short-Term Compensation …” (Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
“In A Case In 2002 Against America Online And Other Companies, One Plaintiff Did Request That Judge Boyle Recuse Himself, But Boyle Refused. The Plaintiff Alleged He Was Biased Against Her – Though, Ironically, She Did Not Know At The Time Of Boyle's Reported Stock Holdings In AOL Time Warner, The Parent Company Of America Online.” (Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
“Early In His Nomination Process In 2001 … [Boyle] Was In The Middle Of A Case Involving Quintiles Transnational, A Pharmaceutical Services Company In Which He Reported Stock Holdings, And On Whose Behalf He Had Been Issuing Favorable Rulings.” (Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
“In Most Of The Cases, Boyle Ruled In Favor Of The Companies In Which He Had Financial Interests -- Though His Participation Was A Violation Of The Law Regardless Of How He Ruled.”(Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,” Salon.Com, 5/1/06)

“Federal Law And The Official Code Of Conduct For U.S. Judges Explicitly Prohibit Judges From Sitting On Such Cases – No Matter How Small Their Stock Holdings – In Order To Ensure Public Trust In The Judicial System.” (Will Evans, “Controversial Bush Judge Broke Ethics Law,”Salon.Com, 5/1/06)
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Re: Help us get the beach open!

Post by Ry » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:02 am

I called and talked to congress yesterday. HR 718 is now in the sub committee for National Parks.

The head of this is named Raúl M. Grijalva from Arizona. Here is his address and contact information. Call and say you know he is busy and you appreciate him trying to get our money back from AIG and dealing with the quasi-communist style bailouts, but if he wants an easy fight that will make a lot of people happy and drastically improve our livelihoods, just pass HR 718 and save the vacation spots of Hatteras and Ocracoke Islands.

To reduce the argument to a few sentences. It's a recreational park, created for the purpose of outdoor activities, and it is not and never has been a wild life refuge, that's what Pea Island is for. All the villages depend on this National Recreational Park being open to (humans) the public because it's the driving force for tourism and because it's just part of our natural rights to have the access that was promised to us.

Raúl M. Grijalva
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Washington, DC 20515
ph (202) 225-2435
fax (202) 225-1541

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Re: Help us get the beach open!

Post by Ry » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:55 am

Well that was fast in 2 days they got it in and out of National Parks now HR 718 is in the Courts and Competition committee. (that's good)

Here is the committee phone number
202-225-3951

The chairman is Hank Johnson from Georgia you can go to his email page here
http://hankjohnson.house.gov/contact_hank_write.shtml

And here is a list of all the members and numbers you'd need http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-b ... s&site=ctc

If you really really want the beaches open then call them all.
Just explain that this is NOT a development vs environment issue. This is a Recreation vs Segregation issue. Access to our lands and all the activities it provides has been stripped form us. The Judge had no right to act on the pseudo-science justifications of a fringe element interest group to restrict recreational access to a National RECREATIONAL Park.

It's a recreational park, created for the purpose of outdoor activities, and it is not and never has been a wild life refuge, that's what Pea Island is for. You can't suddenly take a recreational park and turn it into a wild life refuge just like you couldn't suddenly turn a wild life refuge into a recreational park. One bird that is not indigenous and not endangered is on the beach and they are restricting access to EVERYONE over it. And I guarantee that once the beach is returned that humans will have no effect on the bird. I know that because you can see those birds on the beach right next to you in a few spots that are still open. They like people, they probably get more food from our tourist and trash than anywhere else. lol.

All the villages depend on this National Recreational Park being open to (humans) the public because it's the driving force for tourism and because it's just part of our natural rights to have the access that was promised to us.

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Re: Help us get the beach open!

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Re: Help us get the beach open!

Post by general hoke » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:21 am

I heard they are not gonna close any more beaches than they have so far so long as there are no more eggs found. So if you see an egg.....
It's an island...you can't close the beach without massive economic damage.
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Re: Help us get the beach open!

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Re: Help us get the beach open!

Post by general hoke » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:07 am

Dude I don't know why this is going on but it needs to stop. Killing off the other animals like foxes and minks and otters to save a bird is insane. Not to mention those beaches closing in June and July killed the economy. People lost over half their total business for the summer and the economy is bad enough already. We keep losing liberty after liberty. It is time to draw a line in the sand.
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