Americans believe in religion -- but know little about it.

[Ian]

Maybe you can just absorb the value that's there & edit out the bullshit but just be a good person rather than a Christian necessarily. I mean if it's already established that not everything in it is true, that in fact much of it is impossible.

One side of the story that's not argued on this site is that some atheists do not only believe in religion or god but they don't even believe in the concept of right or wrong or that life has any value. So atheism can be as dangerous as religion. Spirituality & consciousness are the truth rather than atheism or organized religion in my opinion. But people have the right to believe or not believe what they want as long as they don't infringe on other peoples' rights (which almost all Christians do by supporting the World Church Council)

Also BTW Alex Jones attacks the churches constantly. Most anti-New World Order Christians do not support the Zionist churches.

I agree absolutely with your statement about Sprituality and Conciousness being the truth. I completely against organized religion. I still call myself a Christian just because I follow very closely the teachings of Jesus himself, as opposed to other peoples established interpretation of it. Anyway, the verse I was talking about earlier concerning Jesus' calming of the storm is Matt 8:26 and all Jesus says is "Why are you fearful, you of little faith?" I take this to mean that he was saying let be what will be and we should all be faithful in things working out. Of course, the disciples go on to claim Jesus stopped the storm and this and that.... but yeah. That's just one example of how interpret the Bible differently than alot of religious folks. I'd like to think that I am one who absorbs the value and edits the bullshit

[Fragilityh14]

I think the bible is largely rubbish, but think Ry also takes it a bit too far.

Firstly, we should assume a lot of things in the bible come from SOMEWHERE, especially since a decent amount of it is just uninteresting historical records. (They arent just making those lists of names up).

My problem with it, is the Hebrews consistently do the worst things imaginable, often with the approval of god, sometimes without. It makes me feel like what's going on in Palestine is completely appropriate (for followers of said religion) given the mythology of the religion. It's absurd.

However, I do believe a lot more of the bible is probably based on some sort of fact: every society has great floods stories, simply because every so often there is an insane flood.


What's so funny to me, is the bible is so obviously not divinely inspired (yet, on the cover of some of the extra material of one I was looking at it said "the bible is different from author books because the author is God"). I think it is the Revised Standard Edition or something like that which reads really well btw.

Anyway, I tried to read it for the literary value, which I found to not be that great, it's selectively somewhat interesting.


the thing is, I really dont think most of the stories in the bible have a good message and a lot of them are in fact appalling.