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Post by Ry » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:49 am

So which is it? Time difference or bc my posts are too dumb to read?
both dumb ass. I replied to glixer because I read glixers. It was a sentence long. I only made like 4 post yesterday because i was at work all day. I didn:t take time to read all of them are you really so arrogant to think I would even need much time to respond to you. You think we:ve never had a racist idiot on here before?

You cannot collectively blame jews in general for what some of them are doin, doing in tandum with nonjews as well.
A lot of black people are in the NBA does that mean they can all play ball? No. A lot of asian people practice karate does that mean they're all good at it. OR is it cultural? Many jews are zionist is that some suprize? ovbiously a philosophy of racial suprimacy is going to attract those of the chosen race just as Nazism attracted racist whites, zionism attracts racist jews and racist christians.

I HAVE EXPOSED MORE ZIONIST CRIMES THAN ANYONE. i DONT MAKE A POINT OF HAVING TO SAY OH HE HE'S A JEW EVERYTIME THE SAME way I dont feel a need to point out Colin Powell or Condi Rice or Obama are black people. It has nothing to do with them being black its about them as individuals not as a ethnicity, religion or group
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Post by Doronjo » Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:32 am

Colbyor,

I guess you're suggesting we wipe out all Jews because of some bad apples. That might solve some/most of the problem, but why not just go after the bad apples, we know who they are.

BTW, one problem that I have in my head is that I noticed that both you and bruno don't capitalize your i's. Interesting that!
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Post by Colbyor » Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:33 am

its true i dont see how people try to call you out in israeli topics... you literally talk about it all the time... i realized though, even if you took out the jews, you still have zionists everywhere

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Post by Ry » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:18 am

Well it is the ideology that makes them shit heads, not the being Jewish. Thus Zionist is more accurate. But we alsways get these simple minded idiots that can't understand the difference in categories.
They think is A= B and C = B then A = C

A) cats
B) animals
C) dogs

A) All cat's are animals (B)
C) All dogs are animals (B)
A) All cats are dogs (C) Wrong

Nearly all Klansmen are white. Yet Nearly no whites are Klansmen.
Nearly all Jews in positions of political power are Zionist.
Guess what.
Nearly all non-Jews in positions of political power are also Zionist.

How does one get elected into political positions? TV without it there is no chance.
Who owns it, the pentagon. Zionism is a cash cow for the MIC. Thus following philosophies of conflict are coveted. Zionism is probably the most insane one. Thus positions with in media and politics are stacked with Zionist advocates.

Take another issue, the drug war.
The largest commercial finance for mass media are drug companies. They have obvious reasons to support a war on drugs. And the war on drugs is good for the MIC and CIA. All the talking heads tow the line, and preach the we went to stop drug dealers crap anytime the US wanted to invade Central America.

It that region of the world Zionism has less influence, however the drug war can be used as the new pretext.

In the past there was the communist excuse, used in Vietnam and Afghanistan and currently North Korea.. etc.
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Re: Remember the Jewish lady from the Donahue Show? look at

Post by sorrysorry » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:11 am

sorrysorry wrote:Yes I know I know...I'm a dumb ass,
Ry wrote:both dumb ass.
:) So predictable. Dumb ass is so last season though, call me imbecile instead.

Only with saying the universal blasphemous word "joos" does one get lectured on post after post to not dare say it. Forgive me, for I have sinned.


Ry wrote:I didn:t take time to read all of them are you really so arrogant to think I would even need much time to respond to you.

:lol: Pot meet kettle. You are the epitome of arrogance and the one upper. Strip that word and all of its synonyms from your vocabulary, you're outta your mind if you use that against anyone besides yourself.


Ry wrote: You cannot collectively blame jews in general for what some of them are doin, doing in tandum with nonjews as well.
A lot of black people are in the NBA does that mean they can all play ball? No. A lot of asian people practice karate does that mean they're all good at it. OR is it cultural? Many jews are zionist is that some suprize? ovbiously a philosophy of racial suprimacy is going to attract those of the chosen race just as Nazism attracted racist whites, zionism attracts racist jews and racist christians.
Why do you like repeating your useless points again and again when they have already been dismantled?

:lol: You're seriously comparing:
-having disproportionate numbers of black people(40 million out of 300 million in the USA) in the NBA and disproportionate Asians pursuing karate

to

-having disproportionate powerful Jews(about 6 million out of 300 million in USA) in powerful positions who are responsible for the foreign policy, economy, national security, and depriving Americans of their rights?

-not only having disproportionate powerful positions in USA, but all over the world. 18 million out of 6 billion. What are the fuckin chances of that?

Did I get that right? Basketball and karate to the stability of the USA and the world? You are just so convincing!

bruno718 wrote:kinda writes like him/her :shrug:
I'm flattered you think I'm Bollyn, but no Bruno.

Colbyor wrote:i have this problem in my head, there are more but i want to mention this one... im not opposed to using violence to achieve the goal of personal liberty and checking the government... in this way, blaming "the joos" makes tactical sense, if we remove them or persecute them as a whole, the majority of problems caused by a small group of them are addressed...this seems "wrong" in the way that all those innocent jews would suffer for the actions of a small minority, but isnt that EXACTLY what happens anyway? i dunno what i expect to hear about this but its something i think about....
The only ones who should be persecuted are the elite who are complicit, whether they be Jews or the non-Jews who bow down to the Jews. The innocent/ordinary Jews have nothing to do with the elites' actions. Like I said before, the Jews on top will not hesitate to use and abuse their own to get to their ultimate goal. It is because of that small minority that innocent Jews have been kicked out of more than 100 countries. I'm sure Palestinians are not surprised why. The real problem is not antisemitism, it is anti-goyum. Having said that, I think that Jews should not be allowed to have powerful positions in government or school. Looking at history and current events, I don't know how anyone could be confident and feel safe from propaganda when any Jew is in control of the top. Anytime disproportionate amount of them have ran a country, the nation fell and population reduced or suffered.

1. Russia result: Became communist. Freedoms lost. Millions dead.
2. Weimar Germany result: Hyperinflation. Besmirched and accused of committing the worst genocide EVERRRR!!!! Bombed at Dresden. Indebted for decades based on manipulation and lies. Achieved worldwide villain status for having persecuting Jews.
3. USA: Federal Reserve. CFR. NAACP. AIPAC. ADL. IRS. Forced to give billions/year to a peaceful country and its puppet states. PNAC. 911. How many freakin wars?! The Patriot Act. Naked body scanners. Debt in the trillions. Jobs and homes lost in the millions. Future hope of more upcoming wars and debt! Fun. And just like Germany, USA has achieved worldwide villain status. Voila.

What about globalization?
sorrysorry wrote:Their freakin "Mashiach" hasn't arrived yet to make Tel Aviv the world capital.
Dear Chmouel,

It is true that G-d gave us the land and we must love it. And it is true that according to many
opinion one who lives there is doing a mitzvah. But you must also realize that we are living in the
period of exile until moshiach comes, and during exile it is forbidden for us to re-conquer the
land. We may live in the land under non-Jewish rule, but to have a Jewish state is forbidden.
The
sources for this are many. See Devarim 30:3 where it says that Hashem Himself will gather in the
exiled Jews at the time of the redemption. The Abarbanel, one of the most important Scriptural
commentators, says: "We see from here that Hashem Himself will return our captives, and it will not
be like the beginning of the Second Temple era, when the Jews returned to their land by the
permission of Cyrus, king of Persia."

There are many verses in the Bible that say clearly that G-d (through His emmisary, the Moshiach)
will be the one Who redeems the Jewish people from exile and gathers them in. See Isaiah 27:12,
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about ... temNo=1069

The "New World Order" /one world government crap kind of made more sense after reading this:
What Will the Mashiach Do?

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles[/b] (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).
http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
In general, it is believed that the mashiach will come in a time when he is most needed (because the world is so sinful), or in a time when he is most deserved (because the world is so good).
http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm


Looks like they went with self-fulfilling prophesy choice number one...911 was the perfect catalyst for continuous wars.
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Re: Remember the Jewish lady from the Donahue Show? look at

Post by Ed » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:04 pm

Sorrysorry, i am sorry you can't get your head round what Ry is trying to say.
1. Russia result: Became communist. Freedoms lost. Millions dead.
2. Weimar Germany result: Hyperinflation. Besmirched and accused of committing the worst genocide EVERRRR!!!! Bombed at Dresden. Indebted for decades based on manipulation and lies. Achieved worldwide villain status for having persecuting Jews.
3. USA: Federal Reserve. CFR. NAACP. AIPAC. ADL. IRS. Forced to give billions/year to a peaceful country and its puppet states. PNAC. 911. How many freakin wars?! The Patriot Act. Naked body scanners. Debt in the trillions. Jobs and homes lost in the millions. Future hope of more upcoming wars and debt! Fun. And just like Germany, USA has achieved worldwide villain status. Voila.
It sounds like you're blaming all of the US's problems in the last 100 years on only jews, or the majority of them on jews. Even if you could pin blame on some powerful ethnic Jews, you cannot pretend that they're all connected or that it's in anyway to do with their religion, above all other religions. It's just so absurd that it isn't even worth discussion. Or Russian communism was all down to Jews? Lenin and Stalin, not Jewish, you freak. And you're blaming jews for Germany gaining villain status? You're a bigoted loon.

sorrysorry wrote:Jews should not be allowed to have powerful positions in government or school. Looking at history and current events, I don't know how anyone could be confident and feel safe from propaganda when any Jew is in control of the top
Sums you up really. You're as bad as all the idiots that think Obama is a secret muslim.
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Post by panax » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:31 pm

Sorrysorry, there are parts where you and Ry agree, but you get confused by semantics. Beyond that you're blinded by your own ignorance.
sorrysorry wrote: I think that Jews should not be allowed to have powerful positions in government or school. Looking at history and current events, I don't know how anyone could be confident and feel safe from propaganda when any Jew is in control of the top. Anytime disproportionate amount of them have ran a country, the nation fell and population reduced or suffered.

You're a fucking moron.

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Re: Remember the Jewish lady from the Donahue Show? look at

Post by sorrysorry » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:49 pm

Ed wrote:It's just so absurd that it isn't even worth discussion.
Then why are you responding fool?
Ed wrote:Even if you could pin blame on some powerful ethnic Jews, you cannot pretend that they're all connected or that it's in anyway to do with their religion, above all other religions.
What you and you fellow idiot Ryan, can't seem to grasp is that I have stated, numerous, times that not ALL Jews are part of the corruption.
sorrysorry wrote: The ones pulling the strings are Joos, the elite Jews. Not every single Jew is a part of the corruption. Just like how not every single Zionist is a part of the corruption.
Ya got that. Not enough, here's another one:
sorrysorry wrote:Get it through you head: Not every Jew has power. The ones in power are Jews. Got it?
:)
Ed wrote:Or Russian communism was all down to Jews?
:lol: The father of Communism was actually...wait for it...a Jew. Karl Marx ya stupid cunt.
Ed wrote:Lenin and Stalin, not Jewish, you freak.
America's recent downhill has been blamed on who? Bush and Cheney. They aren't Jews either, but we know who were the masterminds yesh...with you probably not. NeoCohens. But here's interesting info about Lenin from a Jewish website:
It would be nine if one were to count Lenin (#15), but Lenin had only one Jewish grandparent.
http://www.jewishachievement.com/domains/history.html

Ever heard of Lenin's right hand man Leon Jew Trotsky dumb fuck? Genrikh Yagoda?
Sorry, but you can't get your head round what sorrysorry already posted. Read em and weep dumb fuck. Oh and it is from a Ynet article written by a jooo.

Jews & Communism/Bolshevism
Stalin's Jews

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

Published: 12.21.06, 23:35 / Israel Opinion

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Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.



Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.



We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.



Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.



In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.



Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.



All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened
to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.



And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."



Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.



Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.



Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.



In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.



The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.



Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism

by Mark Weber

In the night of July 16-17, 1918, a squad of Bolshevik secret police murdered Russia's last emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, along with his wife, Tsaritsa Alexandra, their 14-year-old son, Tsarevich Alexis, and their four daughters. They were cut down in a hail of gunfire in a half-cellar room of the house in Ekaterinburg, a city in the Ural mountain region, where they were being held prisoner. The daughters were finished off with bayonets. To prevent a cult for the dead Tsar, the bodies were carted away to the countryside and hastily buried in a secret grave.

Bolshevik authorities at first reported that the Romanov emperor had been shot after the discovery of a plot to liberate him. For some time the deaths of the Empress and the children were kept secret. Soviet historians claimed for many years that local Bolsheviks had acted on their own in carrying out the killings, and that Lenin, founder of the Soviet state, had nothing to do with the crime.

In 1990, Moscow playwright and historian Edvard Radzinsky announced the result of his detailed investigation into the murders. He unearthed the reminiscences of Lenin's bodyguard, Alexei Akimov, who recounted how he personally delivered Lenin's execution order to the telegraph office. The telegram was also signed by Soviet government chief Yakov Sverdlov. Akimov had saved the original telegraph tape as a record of the secret order.1

Radzinsky's research confirmed what earlier evidence had already indicated. Leon Trotsky -- one of Lenin's closest colleagues -- had revealed years earlier that Lenin and Sverdlov had together made the decision to put the Tsar and his family to death. Recalling a conversation in 1918, Trotsky wrote:2

My next visit to Moscow took place after the [temporary] fall of Ekaterinburg [to anti-Communist forces]. Speaking with Sverdlov, I asked in passing: "Oh yes, and where is the Tsar?"

"Finished," he replied. "He has been shot."

"And where is the family?"

"The family along with him."

"All of them?," I asked, apparently with a trace of surprise.

"All of them," replied Sverdlov. "What about it?" He was waiting to see my reaction. I made no reply.

"And who made the decision?," I asked.

"We decided it here. Ilyich [Lenin] believed that we shouldn't leave the Whites a live banner to rally around, especially under the present difficult circumstances."

I asked no further questions and considered the matter closed.

Recent research and investigation by Radzinsky and others also corroborates the account provided years earlier by Robert Wilton, correspondent of the London Times in Russia for 17 years. His account, The Last Days of the Romanovs - originally published in 1920, and reissued in 1993 by the Institute for Historical Review -- is based in large part on the findings of a detailed investigation carried out in 1919 by Nikolai Sokolov under the authority of "White" (anti-Communist) leader Alexander Kolchak. Wilton's book remains one of the most accurate and complete accounts of the murder of Russia's imperial family.3

A solid understanding of history has long been the best guide to comprehending the present and anticipating the future. Accordingly, people are most interested in historical questions during times of crisis, when the future seems most uncertain. With the collapse of Communist rule in the Soviet Union, 1989-1991, and as Russians struggle to build a new order on the ruins of the old, historical issues have become very topical. For example, many ask: How did the Bolsheviks, a small movement guided by the teachings of German-Jewish social philosopher Karl Marx, succeed in taking control of Russia and imposing a cruel and despotic regime on its people?

In recent years, Jews around the world have been voicing anxious concern over the specter of anti-Semitism in the lands of the former Soviet Union. In this new and uncertain era, we are told, suppressed feelings of hatred and rage against Jews are once again being expressed. According to one public opinion survey conducted in 1991, for example, most Russians wanted all Jews to leave the country.4 But precisely why is anti-Jewish sentiment so widespread among the peoples of the former Soviet Union? Why do so many Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians and others blame "the Jews" for so much misfortune?
A Taboo Subject

Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country's total population,5 they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.6

Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.7

A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own countrymen. "An intelligent Russian," he once remarked, "is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish blood in his veins."8
Critical Meetings

In the Communist seizure of power in Russia, the Jewish role was probably critical.

Two weeks prior to the Bolshevik "October Revolution" of 1917, Lenin convened a top secret meeting in St. Petersburg (Petrograd) at which the key leaders of the Bolshevik party's Central Committee made the fateful decision to seize power in a violent takeover. Of the twelve persons who took part in this decisive gathering, there were four Russians (including Lenin), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and six Jews.9

To direct the takeover, a seven-man "Political Bureau" was chosen. It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev).10 Meanwhile, the Petersburg (Petrograd) Soviet -- whose chairman was Trotsky -- established an 18-member "Military Revolutionary Committee" to actually carry out the seizure of power. It included eight (or nine) Russians, one Ukrainian, one Pole, one Caucasian, and six Jews.11 Finally, to supervise the organization of the uprising, the Bolshevik Central Committee established a five-man "Revolutionary Military Center" as the Party's operations command. It consisted of one Russian (Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and two Jews (Sverdlov and Uritsky).12
Contemporary Voices of Warning

Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write:13

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses

Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people.

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."14

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."15

"The Bolshevik Revolution," declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920, "was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."16

As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.17 Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that "because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel."18
Historians' Views

Summing up the situation at that time, Israeli historian Louis Rapoport writes:19

Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over their high representation in the new government. Lenin's first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins

Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists' vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution -- partly because of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.

The collective leadership that emerged in Lenin's dying days was headed by the Jew Zinoviev, a loquacious, mean-spirited, curly-haired Adonis whose vanity knew no bounds.

"Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator."20 In Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.21 (Beginning as the Cheka, or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB.)

In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy, the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed Lenin's execution order.22

Igor Shafarevich, a Russian mathematician of world stature, has sharply criticized the Jewish role in bringing down the Romanov monarchy and establishing Communist rule in his country. Shafarevich was a leading dissident during the final decades of Soviet rule. A prominent human rights activist, he was a founding member of the Committee on the Defense of Human Rights in the USSR.

In Russophobia, a book written ten years before the collapse of Communist rule, he noted that Jews were "amazingly" numerous among the personnel of the Bolshevik secret police. The characteristic Jewishness of the Bolshevik executioners, Shafarevich went on, is most conspicuous in the execution of Nicholas II:23

This ritual action symbolized the end of centuries of Russian history, so that it can be compared only to the execution of Charles I in England or Louis XVI in France. It would seem that representatives of an insignificant ethnic minority should keep as far as possible from this painful action, which would reverberate in all history. Yet what names do we meet? The execution was personally overseen by Yakov Yurovsky who shot the Tsar; the president of the local Soviet was Beloborodov (Vaisbart); the person responsible for the general administration in Ekaterinburg was Shaya Goloshchekin. To round out the picture, on the wall of the room where the execution took place was a distich from a poem by Heine (written in German) about King Balthazar, who offended Jehovah and was killed for the offense.

In his 1920 book, British veteran journalist Robert Wilton offered a similarly harsh assessment:24

The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of alien invasion. The murder of the Tsar, deliberately planned by the Jew Sverdlov (who came to Russia as a paid agent of Germany) and carried out by the Jews Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov and Yurovsky, is the act not of the Russian people, but of this hostile invader.

In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly.
Put To Death Without Trial

For a few months after taking power, Bolshevik leaders considered bringing "Nicholas Romanov" before a "Revolutionary Tribunal" that would publicize his "crimes against the people" before sentencing him to death. Historical precedent existed for this. Two European monarchs had lost their lives as a consequence of revolutionary upheaval: England's Charles I was beheaded in 1649, and France's Louis XVI was guillotined in 1793.

In these cases, the king was put to death after a lengthy public trial, during which he was allowed to present arguments in his defense. Nicholas II, though, was neither charged nor tried. He was secretly put to death - along with his family and staff -- in the dead of night, in an act that resembled more a gangster-style massacre than a formal execution.

Why did Lenin and Sverdlov abandon plans for a show trial of the former Tsar? In Wilton's view, Nicholas and his family were murdered because the Bolshevik rulers knew quite well that they lacked genuine popular support, and rightly feared that the Russian people would never approve killing the Tsar, regardless of pretexts and legalistic formalities.

For his part, Trotsky defended the massacre as a useful and even necesssary measure. He wrote:25

The decision [to kill the imperial family] was not only expedient but necessary. The severity of this punishment showed everyone that we would continue to fight on mercilessly, stopping at nothing. The execution of the Tsar's family was needed not only in order to frighten, horrify, and instill a sense of hopelessness in the enemy but also to shake up our own ranks, to show that there was no turning back, that ahead lay either total victory or total doom This Lenin sensed well.

Historical Context

In the years leading up to the 1917 revolution, Jews were disproportionately represented in all of Russia's subversive leftist parties.26 Jewish hatred of the Tsarist regime had a basis in objective conditions. Of the leading European powers of the day, imperial Russia was the most institutionally conser-vative and anti-Jewish. For example, Jews were normally not permitted to reside outside a large area in the west of the Empire known as the "Pale of Settlement."27

However understandable, and perhaps even defensible, Jewish hostility toward the imperial regime may have been, the remarkable Jewish role in the vastly more despotic Soviet regime is less easy to justify. In a recently published book about the Jews in Russia during the 20th century, Russian-born Jewish writer Sonya Margolina goes so far as to call the Jewish role in supporting the Bolshevik regime the "historic sin of the Jews."28 She points, for example, to the prominent role of Jews as commandants of Soviet Gulag concentration and labor camps, and the role of Jewish Communists in the systematic destruction of Russian churches. Moreover, she goes on, "The Jews of the entire world supported Soviet power, and remained silent in the face of any criticism from the opposition." In light of this record, Margolina offers a grim prediction:

The exaggeratedly enthusiastic participation of the Jewish Bolsheviks in the subjugation and destruction of Russia is a sin that will be avenged Soviet power will be equated with Jewish power, and the furious hatred against the Bolsheviks will become hatred against Jews.

If the past is any indication, it is unlikely that many Russians will seek the revenge that Margolina prophecies. Anyway, to blame "the Jews" for the horrors of Communism seems no more justifiable than to blame "white people" for Negro slavery, or "the Germans" for the Second World War or "the Holocaust."
Words of Grim Portent

Nicholas and his family are only the best known of countless victims of a regime that openly proclaimed its ruthless purpose. A few weeks after the Ekaterinburg massacre, the newspaper of the fledgling Red Army declared:29

Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies by the scores of hundreds, let them be thousands, let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritskii let there be floods of blood of the bourgeoisie -- more blood, as much as possible.

Grigori Zinoviev, speaking at a meeting of Communists in September 1918, effectively pronounced a death sentence on ten million human beings: "We must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet Russia's inhabitants. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them. They must be annihilated."30
'The Twenty Million'

As it turned out, the Soviet toll in human lives and suffering proved to be much higher than Zinoviev's murderous rhetoric suggested. Rarely, if ever, has a regime taken the lives of so many of its own people.31

Citing newly-available Soviet KGB documents, historian Dmitri Volkogonov, head of a special Russian parliamentary commission, recently concluded that "from 1929 to 1952 21.5 million [Soviet] people were repressed. Of these a third were shot, the rest sentenced to imprisonment, where many also died."32

Olga Shatunovskaya, a member of the Soviet Commission of Party Control, and head of a special commission during the 1960s appointed by premier Khrushchev, has similarly concluded: "From January 1, 1935 to June 22, 1941, 19,840,000 enemies of the people were arrested. Of these, seven million were shot in prison, and a majority of the others died in camp." These figures were also found in the papers of Politburo member Anastas Mikoyan.

Robert Conquest, the distinguished specialist of Soviet history, recently summed up the grim record of Soviet "repression" of it own people:34

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the post-1934 death toll was well over ten million. To this should be added the victims of the 1930-1933 famine, the kulak deportations, and other anti-peasant campaigns, amounting to another ten million plus. The total is thus in the range of what the Russians now refer to as 'The Twenty Million'."

A few other scholars have given significantly higher estimates.35
The Tsarist Era in Retrospect

With the dramatic collapse of Soviet rule, many Russians are taking a new and more respectful look at their country's pre-Communist history, including the era of the last Romanov emperor. While the Soviets -- along with many in the West -- have stereotypically portrayed this era as little more than an age of arbitrary despotism, cruel suppression and mass poverty, the reality is rather different. While it is true that the power of the Tsar was absolute, that only a small minority had any significant political voice, and that the mass of the empire's citizens were peasants, it is worth noting that Russians during the reign of Nicholas II had freedom of press, religion, assembly and association, protection of private property, and free labor unions. Sworn enemies of the regime, such as Lenin, were treated with remarkable leniency.36

During the decades prior to the outbreak of the First World War, the Russian economy was booming. In fact, between 1890 and 1913, it was the fastest growing in the world. New rail lines were opened at an annual rate double that of the Soviet years. Between 1900 and 1913, iron production increased by 58 percent, while coal production more than doubled.37 Exported Russian grain fed all of Europe. Finally, the last decades of Tsarist Russia witnessed a magnificent flowering of cultural life.

Everything changed with the First World War, a catastrophe not only for Russia, but for the entire West.
Monarchist Sentiment

In spite of (or perhaps because of) the relentless official campaign during the entire Soviet era to stamp out every uncritical memory of the Romanovs and imperial Russia, a virtual cult of popular veneration for Nicholas II has been sweeping Russia in recent years.

People have been eagerly paying the equivalent of several hours' wages to purchase portraits of Nicholas from street vendors in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other Russian cities. His portrait now hangs in countless Russian homes and apartments. In late 1990, all 200,000 copies of a first printing of a 30-page pamphlet on the Romanovs quickly sold out. Said one street vendor: "I personally sold four thousand copies in no time at all. It's like a nuclear explosion. People really want to know about their Tsar and his family." Grass roots pro-Tsarist and monarchist organizations have sprung up in many cities.

A public opinion poll conducted in 1990 found that three out of four Soviet citizens surveyed regard the killing of the Tsar and his family as a despicable crime.38 Many Russian Orthodox believers regard Nicholas as a martyr. The independent "Orthodox Church Abroad" canonized the imperial family in 1981, and the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church has been under popular pressure to take the same step, in spite of its long-standing reluctance to touch this official taboo. The Russian Orthodox Archbishop of Ekaterinburg announced plans in 1990 to build a grand church at the site of the killings. "The people loved Emperor Nicholas," he said. "His memory lives with the people, not as a saint but as someone executed without court verdict, unjustly, as a sufferer for his faith and for orthodoxy."39

On the 75th anniversary of the massacre (in July 1993), Russians recalled the life, death and legacy of their last Emperor. In Ekaterinburg, where a large white cross festooned with flowers now marks the spot where the family was killed, mourners wept as hymns were sung and prayers were said for the victims.40

Reflecting both popular sentiment and new social-political realities, the white, blue and red horizontal tricolor flag of Tsarist Russia was officially adopted in 1991, replacing the red Soviet banner. And in 1993, the imperial two-headed eagle was restored as the nation's official emblem, replacing the Soviet hammer and sickle. Cities that had been re-named to honor Communist figures -- such as Leningrad, Kuibyshev, Frunze, Kalinin, and Gorky -- have re-acquired their Tsarist-era names. Ekaterinburg, which had been named Sverdlovsk by the Soviets in 1924 in honor of the Soviet-Jewish chief, in September 1991 restored its pre-Communist name, which honors Empress Catherine I.
Symbolic Meaning

In view of the millions that would be put to death by the Soviet rulers in the years to follow, the murder of the Romanov family might not seem of extraordinary importance. And yet, the event has deep symbolic meaning. In the apt words of Harvard University historian Richard Pipes:41

The manner in which the massacre was prepared and carried out, at first denied and then justified, has something uniquely odious about it, something that radically distinguishes it from previous acts of regicide and brands it as a prelude to twentieth-century mass murder.

Another historian, Ivor Benson, characterized the killing of the Romanov family as symbolic of the tragic fate of Russia and, indeed, of the entire West, in this century of unprecedented agony and conflict.

The murder of the Tsar and his family is all the more deplorable because, whatever his failings as a monarch, Nicholas II was, by all accounts, a personally decent, generous, humane and honorable man.
The Massacre's Place in History

The mass slaughter and chaos of the First World War, and the revolutionary upheavals that swept Europe in 1917-1918, brought an end not only to the ancient Romanov dynasty in Russia, but to an entire continental social order. Swept away as well was the Hohenzollern dynasty in Germany, with its stable constitutional monarchy, and the ancient Habsburg dynasty of Austria-Hungary with its multinational central European empire. Europe's leading states shared not only the same Christian and Western cultural foundations, but most of the continent's reigning monarchs were related by blood. England's King George was, through his mother, a first cousin of Tsar Nicholas, and, through his father, a first cousin of Empress Alexandra. Germany's Kaiser Wilhelm was a first cousin of the German-born Alexandra, and a distant cousin of Nicholas.

More than was the case with the monarchies of western Europe, Russia's Tsar personally symbolized his land and nation. Thus, the murder of the last emperor of a dynasty that had ruled Russia for three centuries not only symbolically presaged the Communist mass slaughter that would claim so many Russian lives in the decades that followed, but was symbolic of the Communist effort to kill the soul and spirit of Russia itself.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
Ed wrote:And you're blaming jews for Germany gaining villain status?
Well my good sir, who made up lies about the Holocaust? Who uses the Holocaust to their advantage? Who uses the Holocaust to demonize Germans and any new target of the decade? I know...the Puerto Ricans!
Ed wrote:It sounds like you're blaming all of the US's problems in the last 100 years on only jews, or the majority of them on jews.
No no, not like the AIPAC, Federal Reserve, ADL, Neocons, 911 false flag, Israel etc were problematic or anything.
Ed wrote:sorrysorry wrote:
Jews should not be allowed to have powerful positions in government or school. Looking at history and current events, I don't know how anyone could be confident and feel safe from propaganda when any Jew is in control of the top


Sums you up really. You're as bad as all the idiots that think Obama is a secret muslim.
Yea I admire Ezra Pound for having had the same sentiments. Someone insinuated violence some posts earlier, but I'd just rather not see any Jews being a part of the elite. No violence necessary. As for the secret Muslim Obamaphobes, you see dear elite Muslims just can't stack up to the crimes committed by elite Jews in the last few hundred years that affect us wall on a global scale. So I think my suspicions are warranted. I could lie and say I trust them...but I'd rather be honest.
Ed wrote:You're a bigoted loon.
Yes bigoted against elite Jews and their non-Jew pawns...and I sure am proud of it. :)

panax wrote:Sorrysorry, there are parts where you and Ry agree, but you get confused by semantics.
You're talking about your dyslexic leader who repeats my points again and again right?
panax wrote:Beyond that you're blinded by your own ignorance.
Ah yes, ignorance. Is that code word for: racist? Back up your sentence bitch.
And Panax, that's Ms.Moron to you.
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the stupid point by point "rebuttals" that don't make sense with the highlighted bolded key words is reminiscent of diana.
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