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tragedy and hope and
the unseen hand

i ask this because a poster by the name of drew j and i were having a dialogue with poster antineocons in Ry's thread "look what Sibel said about me" then the topic was apparently deleted and remade.

if you have read these books, i was wondering how the information therein fits into your guys' theory of "it's the jews stupid"

hopefully this topic doesnt get deleted

it's not deleted it was just moved to the just dumb section because that is what it is.
those books will teach you almost nothing. I hadn't heard of the second one but if it's like the first then its billshit.

and its also not "its the jews, stupid" its "its the ZIONISTS, stupid" not all jews == zionists not all zionists == jews.

I've read both. Epperson is a brilliant writer - The Unseen Hand covers many aspects that other books do not. Yeah, he's a fundie Christian, but so what? I use all of his books as references.

Quigley's book is an insider's vision. He was Clinton's mentor. The question is - was Quigley issuing a warning, a blueprint or a prophesy?

regarding this question...

if you have read these books, i was wondering how the information therein fits into your guys' theory of "it's the jews stupid"

Take, for example, John Pilger's Freedom Next Time. Does he blame Jews? No. Is the book absolutely full of real and important info? Yes. Same goes for my physics books.

One of the problems is that both the books mentioned in the OP are more than 30 years old. The balence of power shifted from the British establishment (Quigley's thesis) to the zionists in the 70s. The same goes for Lyndon LaRouche - he's great up to a point, but he hasn't realised that the Brits lost power along with their empire.

Epperson discusses the Rothschilds and other subjects like the Korean war, but he doesn't get into recent developments, obviously. He's also got some good stuff on bullshit evolution theories (I studied evolution at university - it's mostly bullshit. Not as bullshit as creationism, but bullshit nevertheless)

thank you guys so much for some real responses. i was not completely aware that israel/zionists had gained the balance of power in the last 30 years. i previously thought that they were pawns being used by the real powers.

seeing as how those two books are "outdated", could you guys kindly recommend a book or two with more relevant information for today?

btw i have ryan's book already.

I don't like how people are throwing around terms like "the jews" or "the arabs." Just say Jews or Arabs don't use the article "the" because it makes you look like an ignorant collectivist that thinks people have racial predispositions to do evil.

Yes a lot of Jews were involved in 911. That on no way equates to "the jews" in general. A lot of old people were involved too, as were people with gray hair, balding, were right handed, male, blue eyes, etc. It's stupid to break things down into categories like that and them blame everyone else with similar characteristics.

thanks bud, ive read the mearscheimer and walt and i will definetely check out the other one. speaking of congressmen, watching some of the videos on youtube of james trafficant brought tears to my eyes.

any more book suggestions would be greatly appreciated guys!

p.s. a little story. one day a few of my friend and myself tripped on some magic mushrooms. my jewish friend got extremely paranoid. he told us that he is an "alien" and that he was "sorry" (we often bashed him for being a scheming jew (he actually does scheme, but we bash everyone in our group, we're guys after all)) he begged us, "please dont kill me". he backed into a corner and said that he just wanted to be friends. it was as if he thought that we "discovered his secret" and was going into survival mode or something. i dunno...

something about that incident always bugged me a little. even though its obvious that people can have adverse reactions to psilocybin, it still bugs me. maybe i should just forget about the entire incident.

For the best books, check out this: iamthewitness.com/books/

Start with protocols and then try Hitchcock's book or Fahey's or Bernstein's or Woolfolk's book.