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predator contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:49 am
by general hoke
Is predator control a good idea or does it more often than not disrupt mother nature's balance and ultimately have a negative impact on the ecosystem? For example, is it worth killing thousands of animals from geese to minks and otters to foxes for say the safety of 10 birds? Sound crazy? Well that is exactly what is going on at the Cape Hatteras National Recreational Seashore for the last 4 years. To say the results have had a slithery result is an understatement.


The cotton mouth is the most deadly snake in North Carolina. They can kill and are very aggressive. There are only a few predators of the cotton mouth foxes and raccoons will kill cotton mouths on occasion but by far the biggest predator of the cotton mouth is the opossum. All three of these natural predators of the cotton mouth have been killed by the hundreds in the tiny woods in Buxton on Hatteras Island by the National Park Service as part of predator control to help save a few nesting pairs of birds. As a result the number of nesting pairs has remained the same as it has always been however, the number of cotton mouths has risen dramatically. Local bass fisherman, hikers etc say they have seen far more snakes since the predator control began and are not happy about it. Not only are the mammals of Hatteras being killed but they are meeting that death through, drowning in underwater traps, having their necks broken by other traps or even poisoned with gas. These animals cannot relocate because they are stuck on the island and cannot swim 35 miles to the mainland to escape the slaughter. They are the descendants of raccoons and minks from so long ago the island was still attached t the mainland. The word raccoon for example is a Hatteras Indian word that means to scratch and it was on the Outer Banks that the English first saw the animal and incorporated the word raccoon into the English language. Now residents fear they will soon no longer have any raccoons or other mammals and will be left with nothing in the beautiful seashore but a lot of piousness snakes, mosquitoes and a few birds.

Re: predatr contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:14 pm
by bipolarbear57
It's really sad to see some species go the way of native americans...

Re: predatr contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:11 pm
by Apricot
It's upsetting to see slaughter sanctioned mindlessly.

Re: predatr contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:35 pm
by general hoke
http://www.vimeo.com/19989143

be warned this video will piss you off but only if you have morals
please help make this video go viral please

Re: predator contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:51 am
by Ry
Protest. GO out to the Point the day after they close it. And do it in mass.

Re: predatr contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:45 pm
by Verbos
general hoke wrote:http://www.vimeo.com/19989143

be warned this video will piss you off but only if you have morals
please help make this video go viral please
It's gone!

Re: predatr contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:12 am
by dicktater
Verbos wrote:
general hoke wrote:http://www.vimeo.com/19989143

be warned this video will piss you off but only if you have morals
please help make this video go viral please
It's gone!
I never got to see that one. I'm not exactly sure but, there might have a problem with how something was represented in that video that caused the filmmaker to replace it with the one below. I try to save most videos anymore in case they get pulled. Fortunately, I have a Firefux addon now that will grab vimeos.

Trapping on Hatteras Island
This video demonstrates the practices being used by the National Park Service
to indiscriminately trap and kill animals the Service considers may be predators
of Piping Plover chicks or eggs on Hatteras Island and the Cape Hatteras
National Seashore. The original posting of this video had 1,360 views when it
was taken down.
http://vimeo.com/20087792

I recently posted three videos on the subject here:
http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... 11#p155341

Ry has two recent videos, oops, make that one MUST SEE video here:
http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... 11#p155234

Re: predator contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:37 am
by Ry
The Park Service did the same thing out west

Re: predator contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:56 pm
by general hoke
I would add the NPS has helped one animal....the cotton mouth snake an aggressive snake that can KILL you. There numbers are up because the main natural predator of the snake/snake eggs is the opossum followed by the racoon and fox all 3 of which the NPS has been killing for the last 4 years. Bravo NPS WHEN WILL YOU LEARN!??

Re: predator contorl is it wrong?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:19 pm
by dicktater
2011 Pre-Nesting Closures

I posted the February 18th NPS announcement here:

http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... 11#p155395