A Hungarian lawmaker has voiced worry over Israel's expansionist policies, saying Israel is trying to take over the world.
"I'm a Hungarian nationalist. I love my homeland, love the Hungarians and give primacy to Hungarian interests over those of global capital - Jewish capital, if you like - which wants to devour the entire world, especially Hungary," Oszkar Molnar said in a television interview.
Molnar's comments come as there are reports of a mass Jewish exodus from Israel to Hungary, Haaretz reported.
As proof of his assertion that Israel is plotting to take over Hungary, Molnar claimed to have discovered that the language of instruction in Jerusalem's ( al-Quds') schools is Hungarian, and when asked why, students said they were "learning their future homeland's language."
Molnar's party, Fidesz, has not condemned his remarks saying they "did not violate the party's bylaws."
According to the polls, Fidesz party is expected to take power when elections are held this spring.
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=1 ... =351020202
Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
When false religion is established, when all avenues of protest are closed, when potential revolutionaries are bribed, coopted or killed, then Hussein's model teaches man to be a martyr, and by his death witness to the truth and shake the evil empire:
"It is an invitation to all ages and generations that if you cannot kill, die".
- Ali Shariati
"It is an invitation to all ages and generations that if you cannot kill, die".
- Ali Shariati
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
odd. why would they wanna live in hungary? or even learn the language (it has been said that it is europes most difficult language to grasp)Molnar claimed to have discovered that the language of instruction in Jerusalem's ( al-Quds') schools is Hungarian, and when asked why, students said they were "learning their future homeland's language."
is this even true?
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
Okay. For the people who don't know, when you're and israeli chances are that you have your second house in budapest. You never hear of anything happening in hungary because hungary is like little israel minus the violence. The hungarian MIC is owned by one single israeli. When this hungarian mp is saying such a thing it is because israel has almost completed total takeover. Just so you know.
Hungary almost never makes any headlines, except for this stuff and thats rare by itself.
I think it was last year when israel sent IDF soldiers to quell some riot. Now, that must make you scratch your head a bit.
(Oh and the porn industry gets most of it's girls from hungary and czech republic.)
Hungary almost never makes any headlines, except for this stuff and thats rare by itself.
I think it was last year when israel sent IDF soldiers to quell some riot. Now, that must make you scratch your head a bit.
(Oh and the porn industry gets most of it's girls from hungary and czech republic.)
Check your slides
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
It's still Hungary. It's clear there are people who don't agree with the situation.Tim wrote:Hm then why did they recently shoot down "Holocaust Denial" laws in their country? Publicity stunt?FCKGW wrote:Okay. For the people who don't know, when you're and israeli chances are that you have your second house in budapest. You never hear of anything happening in hungary because hungary is like little israel minus the violence. The hungarian MIC is owned by one single israeli. When this hungarian mp is saying such a thing it is because israel has almost completed total takeover. Just so you know.
Hungary almost never makes any headlines, except for this stuff and thats rare by itself.
I think it was last year when israel sent IDF soldiers to quell some riot. Now, that must make you scratch your head a bit.
(Oh and the porn industry gets most of it's girls from hungary and czech republic.)
The hungarians themselves raised their eyebrows when they saw IDF soldiers. I might have given you the idea that they control the country, they just own a significant part of it (real estate and control the MIC). If anything it's going to be interesting.
Hungarians way outnumber israelis and it is still their country.
Georgians would throw out sakaajsvili right now this instance if they had the chance.
Check your slides
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
In response to LA Times article
2009. október 20. 02:23:26 | in English
After reading the article written by Megan K. Stack in your Los Angeles Times, Oct 11, 2009 “In Hungary, far right is making gains”, I felt the need to write to you and ask my political party, Jobbik, to press charges of slander against your newspaper and the writer herself.
If the government of Mexico was able to sue the Chitos Chip company (and win) for their Chito Bandito commercial, which portrayed all Mexicans as bandits, then I think the Jobbik political party has a good chance of winning against your newspaper for the lies and slander found in the above mentioned article that portrayed the Jobbik Party and president in an extremely bad way.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... ory?page=1
Mistakes, lies and slander found in the article:
1., Gábor Vona did not start a militia. The definition for a militia quoted from the Wikipedia is as follows: “The term militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.”
The Hungarian Guard is not and can not be considered a military force. This word “militia” communicates a totally different intention and meaning to the entire Hungarian National Guard movement. Gábor Vona was one of several who was part of the National Guard Association. He was not part of the National Guard Movement. These are two separate organizations. There is no hostility toward the Gypsies. (If you want to be politically correct, call them Roma!) There is a problem in Hungary with Gypsy (Roma) crime and because this movement spoke out against this form of crime, the liberal media is trying to make it seem as if the movement is hostile towards Gypsies (Romas). Nothing could be further from the truth as pictures of Hungarian Guard members who worked side by side the Gypsies (Romas) passing bags of sand to save Gypsy (Roma) homes from flooding will prove. Numerous Gypsy (Roma) organizations and leaders agree wholeheartedly with what the movement represents. If you would like, I would be happy to send pictures of the Hungarian Guard passing out Christmas presents to local Gypsy children! These, for some reason or another, were never published or picked up by the media.
2., The Hungarian Guard is not a paramilitary group. Wikipedia definition: “A paramilitary is a force whose function and organization are similar to those of a professional military force, but which is not regarded as having the same status.[1] …The term paramilitary is subjective, depending on what is considered similar to a military force, and what status a force is considered to have. …For instance, in Northern Ireland, paramilitary refers to any illegally armed group with a political purpose, but in Colombia, paramilitary refers only to illegally armed groups which are considered right-wing (for example United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia), while illegally armed groups considered left-wing, such as Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, are referred to as guerrillas.[2]”
The Hungarian Guard is not a military force and is not an armed group, either illegally or legally.
3., The Hungarian Guard members do not wear wraparound sunglasses, leather vests or combat boots. The old Hungarian country dress was black boots, black slacks, white shirt and black vest. This is what they wear with the addition of a Levis baseball cap and red and white scarf.
4., The red and white striped flag is NOT (a) reminiscent of Hungary’s pro-Nazi party of the 1930s and 40’s. The red and silver flag, sometimes depicted as red and white is the old Hungarian flag that was used for over 1000 years (called the flag of the Árpád Dynasty). This flag was the official Hungarian flag until after the 1848 revolution when the green stripe was added as a sign of peace between the Austrians and the Hungarians. Modern day Socialists (the leftovers of the communist regime) are trying to depict this as a Nazi symbol because a small organization tried (but never succeeded) to change this red and white flag by adding stripes and the arrow cross as their symbol. This has nothing to do with the Hungarian Guard or those who choose to wave it. It would be the same as saying anybody who waves an American flag is a Nazi because Nazis in America used parts of the flag as their symbol. (See picture below.)
5., What singer does the writer quote or translate in the article? In what way does this have anything to do with the National Guard, Jobbik Party, or Gábor Vona? Is this an official anthem of the party? Obviously not. Again, this is a form of yellow journalism and misleading.
6., “Vona steps out of a minivan, a slight young man with a few shoots of gray in a crop of dark hair. A passing driver leans furiously on his car horn, and the young woman in the passenger seat shows Vona her middle finger as they careen past. Vona blinks and turns away with indifference. He's ready to face his fans.” Very imaginative, I must say. Of all the demonstrations that I have taken part in, I have never once seen something like that. In fact, the direct opposite is what usually happens.
7., “…distinguished by its Nazi-like iconography and menacing marches through Roma, or Gypsy, areas, is locked in conflict with police and courts.”
Could the writer be more specific? What is Naci-like iconography? This will be important when we go to court.
8., “The rise to prominence of Jobbik and its Hungarian Guard has come in tandem with a spate of ruthless attacks on Roma, including children. Analysts say this is no coincidence. They also blame Jobbik for spreading thinly coded anti-Semitism and unsubtle hearkening back to Hungary's Nazi past.”
This implies that the ruthless attacks on the Roma should be blamed on Jobbik? No connection of ANY crime has been connected in any way to Jobbik or the Hungarian Guard. None what-so-ever. In fact, it was Gypsies themselves that took part in the ruthless attacks on Gypsies. The 3-4 men who were recently arrested for the attacks against the Gypsies had no connections to the patriotic side of Hungarian politics. In fact, one of the 4 was a paid informant for the Hungarian State Police Force the NBH (the equivalent of the US FBI) and another had lived in an Israeli kibbutz! In Hungary you are innocent until proven guilty. What about in the US? When I lived there, that was still the case. Has something changed recently? You could as easily say it was the CIA that has been attacking or causing the attacks against the Gypsies in Hungary. There is exactly the same amount of evidence for this statement as the one in your article! Or maybe New York City’s former mayor Giuliani’s talk about “Zero Tolerance” against crime caused it!
9., "God give us . . ." ". . . a brighter future!" the crowd roars in reply.” “This too has the ring of a resurrected Nazi call and response.”
♦This greeting has nothing to do with the Nazis. This was the greeting used by the members of the Levente Movement. This was a youth movement between the WWI and WWII which began in 1921. It was similar to the Boy Scouts of America. It was for the youth between the ages of 12 and 21 who did not get enough exercise at school. It was a weekend activity for the youth. When it was established, there was no such thing as Nazism. Naming the Levente Movement a Nazi organization would be the same as calling the American Boy Scout Association a Nazi organization.
♦This is the same form of greeting as Americans will say “God bless” instead of Goodbye. Are they too considered to be Nazis? In Hungary, Communism outlawed religion. God give us, a brighter future, is a Christian greeting.
♦What Nazi call and response is the writer talking about?
10., “For all the retro symbolism, Jobbik is a distinctly modern organization. There are websites, YouTube videos and a vast array of nationalistic merchandise, such as T-shirts depicting clawed hands grabbing at chunks of formerly Hungarian land in a nod to the territory lost at the end of World War I.”
♦The Communists and modern Socialists have never allowed Hungarians to talk about or reminisce about what happened after WWI, with the Treaty of Trianon, when Hungary lost 2/3 of its territory and population. To this day we have an official day of grief in remembrance of the crimes of the Holocaust in Hungary, but there is no such official day or form of education in schools to remember what happened after WWI. It is the world turning a blind eye towards the Hungarian minorities in the new states such as Slovakia that causes strife in the area. Look into the Benes Decrees or the new language laws passed in Slovakia that forbid Hungarians to speak their mother tongue in Slovakia.
11., "Now in Budapest, you see these young people wearing the Hungarian Guard logo and the Jobbik scarf," said Peter Kreko, an analyst with the Budapest-based Political Capital think tank. "The main threat is that, even those who don't agree with their ideology, they catch them also by creating this fashion trend."
♦What is the Jobbik scarf? There is no such thing. Trend? Because there is no freedom of speech here and now it seems there is no justice to freedom of speech in the US either, wearing such clothing is the only way to show that we disagree with the mainstream media and dictatorship that denies us the right to talk about such things. The mainstream media, like the LA Times, will immediately label us as Nazis, without trying to learn what the truth is. The reason behind this of course is to discourage others from learning the truth, because when the truth is known, our numbers grow. It is yellow journalism, lies and slander, like your newspaper used, that tries to conceal the truth to stop our numbers from growing. But our numbers are growing because truth will prevail.
12., "Ten years ago teenagers had Che Guevara on their shirts," he said. "Now they have Greater Hungary."
The Communist red star is outlawed in Hungary. The writer seems to believe that wearing a picture of the mass murderer, Communist Che Guevara, is something better than citizens wearing clothing that remind other Hungarians that many Hungarians live outside of Hungary in local majorities, but as minorities in the newly formed states and that their minority rights are considered less important and ignored around the world.
13.,“Young people are particularly attracted to nationalism, he said, because their expectations are clashing painfully with the reality of a country hammered by financial crisis.”
♦In Hungary very few houses fly the country's flag year round. I would guess that it is about 1% of the population, if even that. In the US, 2 out of 3 houses fly the Stars and Stripes of the good old US of A. PATRIOTISM is not a sin. Neither is nationalism. Chauvinism is however. That is exactly what we are fighting against. We are a patriotic party, not a chauvinistic one. Chauvinistic parties are in control of the Slovakian government for example. Why doesn’t your newspaper speak up against the crimes they committed and are still committing against the Hungarian minorities living in Slovakia in local majorities?
14., “Police are too overwhelmed to deal with crime in rural areas, analysts say. Into the vacuum surged the Hungarian Guard, announcing that they would protect their countrymen against the criminal Roma.”
Where do you get your information? Who in their right mind in the police force or government would say that the police are too overwhelmed to deal with crime in rural areas? It is true, of course. Our laws protect the rights of the criminals over the rights of the people. The Hungarian Guard simply organized demonstrations and brought the problem out into the open. Everybody knew about the problem, but nobody was talking about it. Now they are talking about it and the other political parties have started to try to deal with the problems. They didn’t want to, but now they are forced to because of public opinion, thanks to the work of the Hungarian Guard. Therefore the Hungarian Guard did exactly what it intended. It brought the problem into the media and now the other political parties are forced to deal with it. The Hungarian Guard itself can not act like a police force. However, when Jobbik wins a larger piece of the Hungarian Parliament, then hopefully the laws will change and the police will be able to control rural crimes.
15., "If you behave properly, Gypsies will understand not to bother you," said Andras Lipovics, a young Jobbik supporter with combat boots, head shaved and arms swathed in tattoos.”
Why not quote me? A father of 4, a US citizen born in the US, an owner of two companies, holding two university degrees, or what about the teachers, the policemen, the doctors, etc, who support Jobbik? Why did the writer choose a tattooed, bald combat booted supporter? It leaves me to wonder if this is a true quote at all. I am going to try to find András Lipovics and see if he is what your writer says he is.
16., "It was there, it was building, and now the levees have broken," said Gergely Romsics of the Hungarian Institute of International Affairs. "I'm not saying they're Nazis, but they're using the same strategy as the Nazis: creating a parallel paramilitary which is more efficient than the government itself."
If Gergely Romsics says that Jobbik has built a paramilitary, then I hope he is ready to prove what he says in court!
17., “Budapest's appeals court this summer upheld the banning of the Hungarian Guard on grounds that it created a climate of discrimination and fear. But both the party and its paramilitary refused to bow to the court's ruling, and have continued to hold public gatherings.”
♦The Hungarian Guard Association was disbanded. It was a legal entity. A movement can not be disbanded. It is not a legal entity. It is a group of friends. However just to appease the courts, the Hungarian Guard Movement disbanded itself. Then a new Hungarian Guard Movement was formed. The courts can not tell people not to be friends and when to meet or not to meet, or what clothes to wear. This is a dead end street. A movement is a movement, because it moves by itself. There are no official leaders or organizers. It is a group of friends, or rather many groups of different groups of friends.
18., “Gaining status as an outlaw organization may be working in favor of Jobbik. Opinion polls track a growth in the party's popularity since the Hungarian Guard demonstrations were dispersed by police, Kreko said."It's a warning that, unfortunately, public opinion has moved toward a more radical position," he said. "It shows people tolerate clashes with police by this so-called party of order."
♦It is not because something is outlawed that it is working in Jobbik’s favor, it is the fact that the people themselves are able to avoid a decision that is un-democratic and unlawful. You can’t force people to stop thinking about truth and justice. We still have freedom of thoughts here. People are finally waking up and realizing that the so-called democracy that we live in is not a democracy at all. That is why our political party is growing. Love, truth and justice are on our side and they will prevail.
I am copying this letter to a member of the Jobbik political party. I hope that they will decide to sue your organization. I think it is a shame, that an esteemed establishment such as the LA Times, would allow itself to be used for political reasons and print such lies and slander. I hope in the least that you write another article that tells the truth about what is happening here in Hungary. I remember when I was a child in the States, the media was our friend. They were the voice to the atrocities that were happening in communist Hungary. Then after the Hungary became so-called democratic and the communists renamed themselves socialists, and started to kiss up to the west and the US instead of Russia, the socialist government helped privatize everything for peanuts towards American “investors”, the media turned coat too. Now the truth is no longer important. I have learned that democracy and freedom is only important to the US and its media, if it is good for the US and its investors.
God give us…
Gregory Botos
American born, but Hungarian at heart.
Forrás: M.Botos
2009. október 20. 02:23:26 | in English
After reading the article written by Megan K. Stack in your Los Angeles Times, Oct 11, 2009 “In Hungary, far right is making gains”, I felt the need to write to you and ask my political party, Jobbik, to press charges of slander against your newspaper and the writer herself.
If the government of Mexico was able to sue the Chitos Chip company (and win) for their Chito Bandito commercial, which portrayed all Mexicans as bandits, then I think the Jobbik political party has a good chance of winning against your newspaper for the lies and slander found in the above mentioned article that portrayed the Jobbik Party and president in an extremely bad way.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... ory?page=1
Mistakes, lies and slander found in the article:
1., Gábor Vona did not start a militia. The definition for a militia quoted from the Wikipedia is as follows: “The term militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.”
The Hungarian Guard is not and can not be considered a military force. This word “militia” communicates a totally different intention and meaning to the entire Hungarian National Guard movement. Gábor Vona was one of several who was part of the National Guard Association. He was not part of the National Guard Movement. These are two separate organizations. There is no hostility toward the Gypsies. (If you want to be politically correct, call them Roma!) There is a problem in Hungary with Gypsy (Roma) crime and because this movement spoke out against this form of crime, the liberal media is trying to make it seem as if the movement is hostile towards Gypsies (Romas). Nothing could be further from the truth as pictures of Hungarian Guard members who worked side by side the Gypsies (Romas) passing bags of sand to save Gypsy (Roma) homes from flooding will prove. Numerous Gypsy (Roma) organizations and leaders agree wholeheartedly with what the movement represents. If you would like, I would be happy to send pictures of the Hungarian Guard passing out Christmas presents to local Gypsy children! These, for some reason or another, were never published or picked up by the media.
2., The Hungarian Guard is not a paramilitary group. Wikipedia definition: “A paramilitary is a force whose function and organization are similar to those of a professional military force, but which is not regarded as having the same status.[1] …The term paramilitary is subjective, depending on what is considered similar to a military force, and what status a force is considered to have. …For instance, in Northern Ireland, paramilitary refers to any illegally armed group with a political purpose, but in Colombia, paramilitary refers only to illegally armed groups which are considered right-wing (for example United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia), while illegally armed groups considered left-wing, such as Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, are referred to as guerrillas.[2]”
The Hungarian Guard is not a military force and is not an armed group, either illegally or legally.
3., The Hungarian Guard members do not wear wraparound sunglasses, leather vests or combat boots. The old Hungarian country dress was black boots, black slacks, white shirt and black vest. This is what they wear with the addition of a Levis baseball cap and red and white scarf.
4., The red and white striped flag is NOT (a) reminiscent of Hungary’s pro-Nazi party of the 1930s and 40’s. The red and silver flag, sometimes depicted as red and white is the old Hungarian flag that was used for over 1000 years (called the flag of the Árpád Dynasty). This flag was the official Hungarian flag until after the 1848 revolution when the green stripe was added as a sign of peace between the Austrians and the Hungarians. Modern day Socialists (the leftovers of the communist regime) are trying to depict this as a Nazi symbol because a small organization tried (but never succeeded) to change this red and white flag by adding stripes and the arrow cross as their symbol. This has nothing to do with the Hungarian Guard or those who choose to wave it. It would be the same as saying anybody who waves an American flag is a Nazi because Nazis in America used parts of the flag as their symbol. (See picture below.)
5., What singer does the writer quote or translate in the article? In what way does this have anything to do with the National Guard, Jobbik Party, or Gábor Vona? Is this an official anthem of the party? Obviously not. Again, this is a form of yellow journalism and misleading.
6., “Vona steps out of a minivan, a slight young man with a few shoots of gray in a crop of dark hair. A passing driver leans furiously on his car horn, and the young woman in the passenger seat shows Vona her middle finger as they careen past. Vona blinks and turns away with indifference. He's ready to face his fans.” Very imaginative, I must say. Of all the demonstrations that I have taken part in, I have never once seen something like that. In fact, the direct opposite is what usually happens.
7., “…distinguished by its Nazi-like iconography and menacing marches through Roma, or Gypsy, areas, is locked in conflict with police and courts.”
Could the writer be more specific? What is Naci-like iconography? This will be important when we go to court.
8., “The rise to prominence of Jobbik and its Hungarian Guard has come in tandem with a spate of ruthless attacks on Roma, including children. Analysts say this is no coincidence. They also blame Jobbik for spreading thinly coded anti-Semitism and unsubtle hearkening back to Hungary's Nazi past.”
This implies that the ruthless attacks on the Roma should be blamed on Jobbik? No connection of ANY crime has been connected in any way to Jobbik or the Hungarian Guard. None what-so-ever. In fact, it was Gypsies themselves that took part in the ruthless attacks on Gypsies. The 3-4 men who were recently arrested for the attacks against the Gypsies had no connections to the patriotic side of Hungarian politics. In fact, one of the 4 was a paid informant for the Hungarian State Police Force the NBH (the equivalent of the US FBI) and another had lived in an Israeli kibbutz! In Hungary you are innocent until proven guilty. What about in the US? When I lived there, that was still the case. Has something changed recently? You could as easily say it was the CIA that has been attacking or causing the attacks against the Gypsies in Hungary. There is exactly the same amount of evidence for this statement as the one in your article! Or maybe New York City’s former mayor Giuliani’s talk about “Zero Tolerance” against crime caused it!
9., "God give us . . ." ". . . a brighter future!" the crowd roars in reply.” “This too has the ring of a resurrected Nazi call and response.”
♦This greeting has nothing to do with the Nazis. This was the greeting used by the members of the Levente Movement. This was a youth movement between the WWI and WWII which began in 1921. It was similar to the Boy Scouts of America. It was for the youth between the ages of 12 and 21 who did not get enough exercise at school. It was a weekend activity for the youth. When it was established, there was no such thing as Nazism. Naming the Levente Movement a Nazi organization would be the same as calling the American Boy Scout Association a Nazi organization.
♦This is the same form of greeting as Americans will say “God bless” instead of Goodbye. Are they too considered to be Nazis? In Hungary, Communism outlawed religion. God give us, a brighter future, is a Christian greeting.
♦What Nazi call and response is the writer talking about?
10., “For all the retro symbolism, Jobbik is a distinctly modern organization. There are websites, YouTube videos and a vast array of nationalistic merchandise, such as T-shirts depicting clawed hands grabbing at chunks of formerly Hungarian land in a nod to the territory lost at the end of World War I.”
♦The Communists and modern Socialists have never allowed Hungarians to talk about or reminisce about what happened after WWI, with the Treaty of Trianon, when Hungary lost 2/3 of its territory and population. To this day we have an official day of grief in remembrance of the crimes of the Holocaust in Hungary, but there is no such official day or form of education in schools to remember what happened after WWI. It is the world turning a blind eye towards the Hungarian minorities in the new states such as Slovakia that causes strife in the area. Look into the Benes Decrees or the new language laws passed in Slovakia that forbid Hungarians to speak their mother tongue in Slovakia.
11., "Now in Budapest, you see these young people wearing the Hungarian Guard logo and the Jobbik scarf," said Peter Kreko, an analyst with the Budapest-based Political Capital think tank. "The main threat is that, even those who don't agree with their ideology, they catch them also by creating this fashion trend."
♦What is the Jobbik scarf? There is no such thing. Trend? Because there is no freedom of speech here and now it seems there is no justice to freedom of speech in the US either, wearing such clothing is the only way to show that we disagree with the mainstream media and dictatorship that denies us the right to talk about such things. The mainstream media, like the LA Times, will immediately label us as Nazis, without trying to learn what the truth is. The reason behind this of course is to discourage others from learning the truth, because when the truth is known, our numbers grow. It is yellow journalism, lies and slander, like your newspaper used, that tries to conceal the truth to stop our numbers from growing. But our numbers are growing because truth will prevail.
12., "Ten years ago teenagers had Che Guevara on their shirts," he said. "Now they have Greater Hungary."
The Communist red star is outlawed in Hungary. The writer seems to believe that wearing a picture of the mass murderer, Communist Che Guevara, is something better than citizens wearing clothing that remind other Hungarians that many Hungarians live outside of Hungary in local majorities, but as minorities in the newly formed states and that their minority rights are considered less important and ignored around the world.
13.,“Young people are particularly attracted to nationalism, he said, because their expectations are clashing painfully with the reality of a country hammered by financial crisis.”
♦In Hungary very few houses fly the country's flag year round. I would guess that it is about 1% of the population, if even that. In the US, 2 out of 3 houses fly the Stars and Stripes of the good old US of A. PATRIOTISM is not a sin. Neither is nationalism. Chauvinism is however. That is exactly what we are fighting against. We are a patriotic party, not a chauvinistic one. Chauvinistic parties are in control of the Slovakian government for example. Why doesn’t your newspaper speak up against the crimes they committed and are still committing against the Hungarian minorities living in Slovakia in local majorities?
14., “Police are too overwhelmed to deal with crime in rural areas, analysts say. Into the vacuum surged the Hungarian Guard, announcing that they would protect their countrymen against the criminal Roma.”
Where do you get your information? Who in their right mind in the police force or government would say that the police are too overwhelmed to deal with crime in rural areas? It is true, of course. Our laws protect the rights of the criminals over the rights of the people. The Hungarian Guard simply organized demonstrations and brought the problem out into the open. Everybody knew about the problem, but nobody was talking about it. Now they are talking about it and the other political parties have started to try to deal with the problems. They didn’t want to, but now they are forced to because of public opinion, thanks to the work of the Hungarian Guard. Therefore the Hungarian Guard did exactly what it intended. It brought the problem into the media and now the other political parties are forced to deal with it. The Hungarian Guard itself can not act like a police force. However, when Jobbik wins a larger piece of the Hungarian Parliament, then hopefully the laws will change and the police will be able to control rural crimes.
15., "If you behave properly, Gypsies will understand not to bother you," said Andras Lipovics, a young Jobbik supporter with combat boots, head shaved and arms swathed in tattoos.”
Why not quote me? A father of 4, a US citizen born in the US, an owner of two companies, holding two university degrees, or what about the teachers, the policemen, the doctors, etc, who support Jobbik? Why did the writer choose a tattooed, bald combat booted supporter? It leaves me to wonder if this is a true quote at all. I am going to try to find András Lipovics and see if he is what your writer says he is.
16., "It was there, it was building, and now the levees have broken," said Gergely Romsics of the Hungarian Institute of International Affairs. "I'm not saying they're Nazis, but they're using the same strategy as the Nazis: creating a parallel paramilitary which is more efficient than the government itself."
If Gergely Romsics says that Jobbik has built a paramilitary, then I hope he is ready to prove what he says in court!
17., “Budapest's appeals court this summer upheld the banning of the Hungarian Guard on grounds that it created a climate of discrimination and fear. But both the party and its paramilitary refused to bow to the court's ruling, and have continued to hold public gatherings.”
♦The Hungarian Guard Association was disbanded. It was a legal entity. A movement can not be disbanded. It is not a legal entity. It is a group of friends. However just to appease the courts, the Hungarian Guard Movement disbanded itself. Then a new Hungarian Guard Movement was formed. The courts can not tell people not to be friends and when to meet or not to meet, or what clothes to wear. This is a dead end street. A movement is a movement, because it moves by itself. There are no official leaders or organizers. It is a group of friends, or rather many groups of different groups of friends.
18., “Gaining status as an outlaw organization may be working in favor of Jobbik. Opinion polls track a growth in the party's popularity since the Hungarian Guard demonstrations were dispersed by police, Kreko said."It's a warning that, unfortunately, public opinion has moved toward a more radical position," he said. "It shows people tolerate clashes with police by this so-called party of order."
♦It is not because something is outlawed that it is working in Jobbik’s favor, it is the fact that the people themselves are able to avoid a decision that is un-democratic and unlawful. You can’t force people to stop thinking about truth and justice. We still have freedom of thoughts here. People are finally waking up and realizing that the so-called democracy that we live in is not a democracy at all. That is why our political party is growing. Love, truth and justice are on our side and they will prevail.
I am copying this letter to a member of the Jobbik political party. I hope that they will decide to sue your organization. I think it is a shame, that an esteemed establishment such as the LA Times, would allow itself to be used for political reasons and print such lies and slander. I hope in the least that you write another article that tells the truth about what is happening here in Hungary. I remember when I was a child in the States, the media was our friend. They were the voice to the atrocities that were happening in communist Hungary. Then after the Hungary became so-called democratic and the communists renamed themselves socialists, and started to kiss up to the west and the US instead of Russia, the socialist government helped privatize everything for peanuts towards American “investors”, the media turned coat too. Now the truth is no longer important. I have learned that democracy and freedom is only important to the US and its media, if it is good for the US and its investors.
God give us…
Gregory Botos
American born, but Hungarian at heart.
Forrás: M.Botos
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
2009-10-18. 09:12 Nyomtatóbarát változat
Megosztom!
MTI's "impartiality" warrants official enquiry
Approaching the 2010 election campaign, deliberate distortions and slanderous nonsense against the Movement for a Better Hungary are to be expected from its political opponents, as part and parcel of the democratic process. But, Jobbik argues, taxpayer funded Hungarian news agencies are now failing in their duty to be impartial to such an extent as to warrant specific investigation.
The Magyar Távirati Iroda (MTI), or Hungarian Telegraphic Agency, was presented with a significant opportunity this week, in the form of an interview with an official from the Council of Europe, none other than the Human Rights Commissioner Thomas Hammarberg, conducted in Budapest in conjunction with the Leftist national newspaper Népszabadság.
No doubt many Hungarians reading MTI’s report of the interview this Friday, were greatly looking forward to the prospect of such a high ranking European official facing several key questions:
* Why did the Council of Europe permit Slovakia’s accession to the EU when their statute books contain laws deliberately intended to forcibly discriminate against an ethnic population within their borders?
* Indeed, why did the Council not require of Hungary root-and-branch reform of its institutions to prevent the corruption and nepotism that today strangles the nation, before it allowed its own accession to the EU?
* How does the Council intend to prosecute those high ranking police officers and politicians who ordered the Budapest police to charge into peaceful protesters with drawn cavalry sabres in 2006?
* Furthermore, how does the Council intend to make clear that the state sanctioned Human Rights abuses that took place and followed on from 23rd October 2006 were totally unacceptable in a democracy?
* How could he put at rest the minds of the Hungarian old, or parents of the young, who intend to commemorate ’56, over the measures he was taking as Human Rights Commissioner to respond to Dr Krisztina Morvai MEP’s warning that the police were planning a similar action for this year’s celebrations?
* How does the Council plan to discipline the Hungarian Constitutional Court for its blatant contravention of Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights covering freedom of association and assembly? And so on.
Unfortunately, those looking forward to hearing Mr Hammarberg answering these questions were to be disappointed. He could not provide an answer to them, because they were never asked of him.
Instead Népszabadság’s reporter endeavoured to elicit the response from Mr Hammarberg that it quite understandably (as an MSZP supporting newspaper) sought, but which MTI dutifully and disturbingly uncritically repeated. Namely, a condemnation of Jobbik’s “rhetoric” as “unacceptable.”
What rhetoric exactly was Mr Hammarberg referring to? Jobbik’s demand that multi-nationals be required to bear a fairer tax burden, in these recessionary times, and not expect it to be met solely by the citizen? Maybe the party’s insistence on the retention of national arable land ownership rights? Or, that Hungarian citizens be allowed to have the same Union representation and workers freedoms as those enjoyed by employees in the Commissioner’s own nation of Sweden? When asked what specific rhetoric he thought was “unacceptable” Mr Hammarberg did not answer. Because he was not asked this question either.
Perhaps he was speaking of Jobbik’s stance on the gay pride parade? That the party is unequivocally opposed (not to homosexual acts, obviously) to a day of state subsidised public lewdness and nudity: as a deliberate foreign import incompatible with Hungarian cultural norms? Had he said so, the Népszabadság reporter could have informed him of the statements of high ranking Fidesz members on this issue earlier in the year, and that political opposition to the parade actually originated with the most centrist Hungarian party, the MDF.
Maybe Mr Hammarberg meant the matter of gypsy crime? The fact that the peculiar socio-economic circumstances of the Roma means that certain types of crime, rather than others, are overwhelmingly attributable to that community? If so, then the MTI journalist could also have told the Commissioner of the nationwide support and acceptance of this definition, ranging from Roma vajda (leaders) like Attila Lakatos to national commentators like János Betlen (no friend of Jobbik and its Chairman Gábor Vona, to be sure); and the relief expressed by senior police officers at a recent Jobbik security conference, at the ability to actually name the problem that faces rural communities to such an overwhelming degree.
In fact, the MTI reporter could also have pointed out that the Commissioner simply had no idea what he was talking about. As the Agency’s article makes clear, Mr Hammarberg has no specific knowledge whatsoever, he is in fact speaking of the “rhetoric” that has been described to him by other Hungarian politicians: in effect Jobbik’s political opponents.
So, an allegedly impartial taxpayer funded news agency reports an international Commissioner’s condemnation of a party, which is in fact solely based not on Jobbik’s supposed “rhetoric” but quite evidently on the actual rhetoric of its opponents. How is it that this kind of uncritically “impartial” reporting exists almost exclusively in Hungary, of all the EU nations?
An examination of MTI serves as a very valuable object lesson in the subtle yet endemic corruption that has beset Hungary for over 20 years:
Founded in 1880 as a telegraphic service, MTI came to prominence during the Communist era where it served the function of the state’s international propaganda agency, similar to Izvestia in the Soviet Union. Its purpose being to provide timely, regime sympathetic, news stories to the national/international community in a variety of languages. Since the events of 1989 it has ostensibly continued in exactly the same function, with the key difference of course being that it is today supposedly politically impartial. Yet the reality could not be further from the truth.
Though in receipt of commercial revenue, MTI’s income is simply insufficient to keep it afloat when competing with global rivals, like Reuters; it therefore heavily relies on taxpayers’ money for its core funding. In any other European country sensitivity about possible conflicts of interest would naturally require the making of the controlling structure of such a state news agency politically independent, through the erection of a Chinese wall, the use of an independent trust for example.
However, MTI is in fact owned by the Hungarian Parliament. And its controlling officer, is a president, elected to office by Parliament on 4/5 yearly terms. As a political appointment therefore, it should be clear that the lucrative presidency of MTI is essentially a gift in the hands of whichever party holds a parliamentary majority, in short, the incumbent government. Furthermore, this means that the Hungarian citizen subsidises through taxation, their government’s ability to internationally distribute its own biased version of events.
The current MTI president, Mátyás Vince, has been in office from 2002 and since that time has loyally continued in the long tradition of his predecessors. His agency’s deafening silence during the events of October 2006 being a case in point.
Mr Vince is perfectly aware that both main parliamentary parties, Fidesz and the MSZP, view their greatest opponent to in fact be the Movement for a Better Hungary. Because Jobbik represents, both the force standing in the way of Fidesz gaining the majority it wants to engage in unopposed future constitutional alterations, and, the party likely to make the MSZP politically obsolete as a body with any future hope of forming a government.
The MTI president also knows that it will be the party which forms a majority in the next parliament who will be responsible for the size of his pension package when he retires in 2012.
The total nationwide uproar over the enormity of recent severance packages given to politically appointed heads of public services, was highlighted by Jobbik MEP Csanád Szegedi in his budget response statement to the Hungarian Parliament on 6th October; a question which MTI chose unsurprisingly not to report.
In fact, we would urge Mr Vince to stop thinking of his wallet, and for once start thinking of his agency’s duty of impartiality to those taxpayers who have been providing his not inconsiderable wages for all these years.
And as for Mr Hammarberg, on one point Jobbik finds itself in total agreement with the Council’s Human Rights Commissioner: more indeed should be done by the European Union to help minorities. Central Europe’s largest acknowledged minority are the Magyars who live immediately outside Hungary’s modern border, and they find themselves daily subject to much more than mere rhetoric, living as they do in countries where discrimination against them and abuse of their human rights is frequently a matter both of accepted government policy, and retained and enforced legal statute.
Even though he was actually visiting Hungary, the Council of Europe’s official deemed the plight of these Hungarians to be unworthy even of a mention. That MTI permitted him to get away with this fact, in the pursuit of its own partisan agenda, is quite simply a disgrace.
(jobbik.com)
Megosztom!
MTI's "impartiality" warrants official enquiry
Approaching the 2010 election campaign, deliberate distortions and slanderous nonsense against the Movement for a Better Hungary are to be expected from its political opponents, as part and parcel of the democratic process. But, Jobbik argues, taxpayer funded Hungarian news agencies are now failing in their duty to be impartial to such an extent as to warrant specific investigation.
The Magyar Távirati Iroda (MTI), or Hungarian Telegraphic Agency, was presented with a significant opportunity this week, in the form of an interview with an official from the Council of Europe, none other than the Human Rights Commissioner Thomas Hammarberg, conducted in Budapest in conjunction with the Leftist national newspaper Népszabadság.
No doubt many Hungarians reading MTI’s report of the interview this Friday, were greatly looking forward to the prospect of such a high ranking European official facing several key questions:
* Why did the Council of Europe permit Slovakia’s accession to the EU when their statute books contain laws deliberately intended to forcibly discriminate against an ethnic population within their borders?
* Indeed, why did the Council not require of Hungary root-and-branch reform of its institutions to prevent the corruption and nepotism that today strangles the nation, before it allowed its own accession to the EU?
* How does the Council intend to prosecute those high ranking police officers and politicians who ordered the Budapest police to charge into peaceful protesters with drawn cavalry sabres in 2006?
* Furthermore, how does the Council intend to make clear that the state sanctioned Human Rights abuses that took place and followed on from 23rd October 2006 were totally unacceptable in a democracy?
* How could he put at rest the minds of the Hungarian old, or parents of the young, who intend to commemorate ’56, over the measures he was taking as Human Rights Commissioner to respond to Dr Krisztina Morvai MEP’s warning that the police were planning a similar action for this year’s celebrations?
* How does the Council plan to discipline the Hungarian Constitutional Court for its blatant contravention of Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights covering freedom of association and assembly? And so on.
Unfortunately, those looking forward to hearing Mr Hammarberg answering these questions were to be disappointed. He could not provide an answer to them, because they were never asked of him.
Instead Népszabadság’s reporter endeavoured to elicit the response from Mr Hammarberg that it quite understandably (as an MSZP supporting newspaper) sought, but which MTI dutifully and disturbingly uncritically repeated. Namely, a condemnation of Jobbik’s “rhetoric” as “unacceptable.”
What rhetoric exactly was Mr Hammarberg referring to? Jobbik’s demand that multi-nationals be required to bear a fairer tax burden, in these recessionary times, and not expect it to be met solely by the citizen? Maybe the party’s insistence on the retention of national arable land ownership rights? Or, that Hungarian citizens be allowed to have the same Union representation and workers freedoms as those enjoyed by employees in the Commissioner’s own nation of Sweden? When asked what specific rhetoric he thought was “unacceptable” Mr Hammarberg did not answer. Because he was not asked this question either.
Perhaps he was speaking of Jobbik’s stance on the gay pride parade? That the party is unequivocally opposed (not to homosexual acts, obviously) to a day of state subsidised public lewdness and nudity: as a deliberate foreign import incompatible with Hungarian cultural norms? Had he said so, the Népszabadság reporter could have informed him of the statements of high ranking Fidesz members on this issue earlier in the year, and that political opposition to the parade actually originated with the most centrist Hungarian party, the MDF.
Maybe Mr Hammarberg meant the matter of gypsy crime? The fact that the peculiar socio-economic circumstances of the Roma means that certain types of crime, rather than others, are overwhelmingly attributable to that community? If so, then the MTI journalist could also have told the Commissioner of the nationwide support and acceptance of this definition, ranging from Roma vajda (leaders) like Attila Lakatos to national commentators like János Betlen (no friend of Jobbik and its Chairman Gábor Vona, to be sure); and the relief expressed by senior police officers at a recent Jobbik security conference, at the ability to actually name the problem that faces rural communities to such an overwhelming degree.
In fact, the MTI reporter could also have pointed out that the Commissioner simply had no idea what he was talking about. As the Agency’s article makes clear, Mr Hammarberg has no specific knowledge whatsoever, he is in fact speaking of the “rhetoric” that has been described to him by other Hungarian politicians: in effect Jobbik’s political opponents.
So, an allegedly impartial taxpayer funded news agency reports an international Commissioner’s condemnation of a party, which is in fact solely based not on Jobbik’s supposed “rhetoric” but quite evidently on the actual rhetoric of its opponents. How is it that this kind of uncritically “impartial” reporting exists almost exclusively in Hungary, of all the EU nations?
An examination of MTI serves as a very valuable object lesson in the subtle yet endemic corruption that has beset Hungary for over 20 years:
Founded in 1880 as a telegraphic service, MTI came to prominence during the Communist era where it served the function of the state’s international propaganda agency, similar to Izvestia in the Soviet Union. Its purpose being to provide timely, regime sympathetic, news stories to the national/international community in a variety of languages. Since the events of 1989 it has ostensibly continued in exactly the same function, with the key difference of course being that it is today supposedly politically impartial. Yet the reality could not be further from the truth.
Though in receipt of commercial revenue, MTI’s income is simply insufficient to keep it afloat when competing with global rivals, like Reuters; it therefore heavily relies on taxpayers’ money for its core funding. In any other European country sensitivity about possible conflicts of interest would naturally require the making of the controlling structure of such a state news agency politically independent, through the erection of a Chinese wall, the use of an independent trust for example.
However, MTI is in fact owned by the Hungarian Parliament. And its controlling officer, is a president, elected to office by Parliament on 4/5 yearly terms. As a political appointment therefore, it should be clear that the lucrative presidency of MTI is essentially a gift in the hands of whichever party holds a parliamentary majority, in short, the incumbent government. Furthermore, this means that the Hungarian citizen subsidises through taxation, their government’s ability to internationally distribute its own biased version of events.
The current MTI president, Mátyás Vince, has been in office from 2002 and since that time has loyally continued in the long tradition of his predecessors. His agency’s deafening silence during the events of October 2006 being a case in point.
Mr Vince is perfectly aware that both main parliamentary parties, Fidesz and the MSZP, view their greatest opponent to in fact be the Movement for a Better Hungary. Because Jobbik represents, both the force standing in the way of Fidesz gaining the majority it wants to engage in unopposed future constitutional alterations, and, the party likely to make the MSZP politically obsolete as a body with any future hope of forming a government.
The MTI president also knows that it will be the party which forms a majority in the next parliament who will be responsible for the size of his pension package when he retires in 2012.
The total nationwide uproar over the enormity of recent severance packages given to politically appointed heads of public services, was highlighted by Jobbik MEP Csanád Szegedi in his budget response statement to the Hungarian Parliament on 6th October; a question which MTI chose unsurprisingly not to report.
In fact, we would urge Mr Vince to stop thinking of his wallet, and for once start thinking of his agency’s duty of impartiality to those taxpayers who have been providing his not inconsiderable wages for all these years.
And as for Mr Hammarberg, on one point Jobbik finds itself in total agreement with the Council’s Human Rights Commissioner: more indeed should be done by the European Union to help minorities. Central Europe’s largest acknowledged minority are the Magyars who live immediately outside Hungary’s modern border, and they find themselves daily subject to much more than mere rhetoric, living as they do in countries where discrimination against them and abuse of their human rights is frequently a matter both of accepted government policy, and retained and enforced legal statute.
Even though he was actually visiting Hungary, the Council of Europe’s official deemed the plight of these Hungarians to be unworthy even of a mention. That MTI permitted him to get away with this fact, in the pursuit of its own partisan agenda, is quite simply a disgrace.
(jobbik.com)
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
Morvai warns EP of imminent repeat of mass police brutalities
Krisztina Morvai MEP issued a dire warning to the European parliament last week, as she informed fellow parliamentarians of plans by the Hungarian police to engage in deliberate acts of repressive violence, next Friday the 23rd of October, in a chillingly reminiscent potential repetition of the regime-sponsored brutality which shocked the world on the same date three years ago.
“According to reliable information from human-rights sensitive high-ranking members of the Hungarian police,” said Morvai, a massive and intentional campaign of violent repression is currently being planned against those intending to celebrate the anniversary of the 1956 Hungarian Uprising against Communism.
Though 1956 is the proudest moment of 20th Century Hungarian history, its commemorative date October 23rd has been mired in controversy ever since 2006, when political enforcers within the police were instructed by their government masters to repress demonstrators numbering well over 100,000 who had chosen the anniversary to call for the government’s resignation.
Though attempts by the regime’s cheerleaders continue to this day to describe the police’s behaviour in 2006 as merely a tragically misguided over-reaction, it remains to be seen how rubber-bullets deliberately fired at head height into the faces of demonstrators, or mounted police charges featuring drawn cavalry sabres, could ever count as anything other than premeditated.
The current Socialist regime has always found it difficult to conceal their deep resentment over anniversary celebrations of 1956, representing as they do, not only the victory of idealistic patriotism over authoritarian repression, but also the Hungarian people’s emphatic rejection of the incumbent government’s ideological predecessors and in many cases political mentors.
However, recent information received by Jobbik through Dr Morvai, Hungary’s foremost human rights advocate, indicate that the regime’s behaviour is in the process of evolving from the repression of legitimate opposition into the deliberate circumvention of the democratic process.
Despite opinion polling commissioned by ideologically sympathetic think-tanks, the Socialist (MSZP) party are becoming increasingly convinced that they face practical annihilation at next years’ General Elections, and will be able at best to garner the votes necessary to achieve third place in the coming parliament. Placing them behind Jobbik; which in June’s European elections has already consigned the MSZP’s coalition partners the SZDSZ into political obscurity.
Faced with such a prospect, senior individuals in government are clearly hoping that police violence on October the 23rd will somehow help their predicament. Either by intimidating Jobbik and their supporters into stunned compliance through the ferocity of the police’s behaviour, as happened with Fidesz in 2006. Or by permitting them to call such an action a “spontaneous” and “necessary” move against a non-existent threat; thereby hoping to make themselves politically relevant.
Evidence is also emerging of the regime’s attempts to prepare for this scenario internationally, given a recent article on Jobbik within the pages of the L.A. Times, filled with the usual distortions characteristic of poor reporting. Yet given that in 2006 the international press was united in its condemnation of the Hungarian government’s human rights abuses, and the only exception to this unanimity was an article in this very same newspaper; subsequently utilized by the Socialist Party leader within the European Parliament to thwart an official investigation into the MSZP regime’s actions by a Parliamentary committee; the current article’s timing cannot be considered coincidental.
56Jobbik’s information also leads it to believe that members of the Hungarian Guard are to be intentionally singled out for the police’s use of extreme force. Though members had never been prosecuted for any criminal infraction, the original Guard organization was disbanded by a court ruling whose legality remains in doubt.
However, the government’s repeated refusal to recognize that free citizens under the European Convention on Human Rights are provided with the right to free assembly, and that the new Guard is self-evidently a legally distinct new entity, only goes further to proving the MSZP’s contempt for democratic norms. As the threat, and use, of vexatious summary arrest is an acknowledged feature of autocratic regimes worldwide.
Jobbik has always maintained that the default reaction of the MSZP when it finds its position threatened is to abandon the pretence of its commitment to democratic mechanisms and debate, and resort to either authoritarianism or violence. Witnessing such events from 2006 on, has convinced many in the international community that this conclusion is valid.
Therefore, despite Jobbik’s principled opposition to the Lisbon Treaty, given its recent passing through the obstacle of an Irish referendum, it is time the EU stops pretending that whereas continent-wide executive powers are within its remit, the intentional commission of mass human rights abuses by a member state’s government is somehow a matter for subsidiarity.
“So that the EU can no longer behave with total indifference with regard to such naked abuses of power, is precisely the reason why the Hungarian people elected an individual with Dr Morvai’s reputation to Brussels,” said Béla Kovács, the head of Jobbik’s Foreign Affairs Committee.
“If they choose to ignore her warning and refuse to send official observers to monitor events in Budapest next Friday, the EU’s ability to pontificate about Human Rights in countries like Iran or China will quite simply be irreparably undermined.”
Given that the leadership of the 1956 veterans association was involved in founding the Movement for a Better Hungary, Jobbik feels particularly justified in condemning the current MSZP government’s cynical attempts to manipulate commemorations to their political ends through the intentional use of violence, as both callous and shameful.
Callous towards an ageing generation of '56 veterans, whose opportunity to commemorate their singular role in world history is by definition limited. Shameful due to the MSZP’s deliberate attempts to subvert the democratic will of a Hungarian people that longs only for the electoral opportunity to bring their own role in Hungarian history finally to an end.
Krisztina Morvai MEP issued a dire warning to the European parliament last week, as she informed fellow parliamentarians of plans by the Hungarian police to engage in deliberate acts of repressive violence, next Friday the 23rd of October, in a chillingly reminiscent potential repetition of the regime-sponsored brutality which shocked the world on the same date three years ago.
“According to reliable information from human-rights sensitive high-ranking members of the Hungarian police,” said Morvai, a massive and intentional campaign of violent repression is currently being planned against those intending to celebrate the anniversary of the 1956 Hungarian Uprising against Communism.
Though 1956 is the proudest moment of 20th Century Hungarian history, its commemorative date October 23rd has been mired in controversy ever since 2006, when political enforcers within the police were instructed by their government masters to repress demonstrators numbering well over 100,000 who had chosen the anniversary to call for the government’s resignation.
Though attempts by the regime’s cheerleaders continue to this day to describe the police’s behaviour in 2006 as merely a tragically misguided over-reaction, it remains to be seen how rubber-bullets deliberately fired at head height into the faces of demonstrators, or mounted police charges featuring drawn cavalry sabres, could ever count as anything other than premeditated.
The current Socialist regime has always found it difficult to conceal their deep resentment over anniversary celebrations of 1956, representing as they do, not only the victory of idealistic patriotism over authoritarian repression, but also the Hungarian people’s emphatic rejection of the incumbent government’s ideological predecessors and in many cases political mentors.
However, recent information received by Jobbik through Dr Morvai, Hungary’s foremost human rights advocate, indicate that the regime’s behaviour is in the process of evolving from the repression of legitimate opposition into the deliberate circumvention of the democratic process.
Despite opinion polling commissioned by ideologically sympathetic think-tanks, the Socialist (MSZP) party are becoming increasingly convinced that they face practical annihilation at next years’ General Elections, and will be able at best to garner the votes necessary to achieve third place in the coming parliament. Placing them behind Jobbik; which in June’s European elections has already consigned the MSZP’s coalition partners the SZDSZ into political obscurity.
Faced with such a prospect, senior individuals in government are clearly hoping that police violence on October the 23rd will somehow help their predicament. Either by intimidating Jobbik and their supporters into stunned compliance through the ferocity of the police’s behaviour, as happened with Fidesz in 2006. Or by permitting them to call such an action a “spontaneous” and “necessary” move against a non-existent threat; thereby hoping to make themselves politically relevant.
Evidence is also emerging of the regime’s attempts to prepare for this scenario internationally, given a recent article on Jobbik within the pages of the L.A. Times, filled with the usual distortions characteristic of poor reporting. Yet given that in 2006 the international press was united in its condemnation of the Hungarian government’s human rights abuses, and the only exception to this unanimity was an article in this very same newspaper; subsequently utilized by the Socialist Party leader within the European Parliament to thwart an official investigation into the MSZP regime’s actions by a Parliamentary committee; the current article’s timing cannot be considered coincidental.
56Jobbik’s information also leads it to believe that members of the Hungarian Guard are to be intentionally singled out for the police’s use of extreme force. Though members had never been prosecuted for any criminal infraction, the original Guard organization was disbanded by a court ruling whose legality remains in doubt.
However, the government’s repeated refusal to recognize that free citizens under the European Convention on Human Rights are provided with the right to free assembly, and that the new Guard is self-evidently a legally distinct new entity, only goes further to proving the MSZP’s contempt for democratic norms. As the threat, and use, of vexatious summary arrest is an acknowledged feature of autocratic regimes worldwide.
Jobbik has always maintained that the default reaction of the MSZP when it finds its position threatened is to abandon the pretence of its commitment to democratic mechanisms and debate, and resort to either authoritarianism or violence. Witnessing such events from 2006 on, has convinced many in the international community that this conclusion is valid.
Therefore, despite Jobbik’s principled opposition to the Lisbon Treaty, given its recent passing through the obstacle of an Irish referendum, it is time the EU stops pretending that whereas continent-wide executive powers are within its remit, the intentional commission of mass human rights abuses by a member state’s government is somehow a matter for subsidiarity.
“So that the EU can no longer behave with total indifference with regard to such naked abuses of power, is precisely the reason why the Hungarian people elected an individual with Dr Morvai’s reputation to Brussels,” said Béla Kovács, the head of Jobbik’s Foreign Affairs Committee.
“If they choose to ignore her warning and refuse to send official observers to monitor events in Budapest next Friday, the EU’s ability to pontificate about Human Rights in countries like Iran or China will quite simply be irreparably undermined.”
Given that the leadership of the 1956 veterans association was involved in founding the Movement for a Better Hungary, Jobbik feels particularly justified in condemning the current MSZP government’s cynical attempts to manipulate commemorations to their political ends through the intentional use of violence, as both callous and shameful.
Callous towards an ageing generation of '56 veterans, whose opportunity to commemorate their singular role in world history is by definition limited. Shameful due to the MSZP’s deliberate attempts to subvert the democratic will of a Hungarian people that longs only for the electoral opportunity to bring their own role in Hungarian history finally to an end.
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
2009-09-08. 12:08 Nyomtatóbarát változat
Megosztom!
Great video about the history of Hungarian Resistance
This video is about the resistence and revolution of Hungarian people against the financial occupation of Hungary since 2002. From 2002 untill today the liberal-socialist (MSZP-SZDSZ) corrupt terror-goverment is doing the same tricks and crimes like did in the communist dictatorship between 1945-89. This is an anti-Hungarian organized crimegroup collaborating with the IMF, Israel and other international financial systems to collect and steal Hungarian taxpayers money. Today the artificially created national debt is more than 90 billion euros. This is more than 85% of the GDP.This money is not used by the people but artificially created and generated decades ago. It started in 1980.
In the communist period these criminals served the SovietUnion today they are serving the IMF and Israel. This criminal group wants to buy out Hungarian soil, water sources and wants to control international transitpaths. This organized crimegroup help international investors to keep Hungarians on financial slavery. Today the majority of the people hates this small crimegroup. They uses the POLICE as a private army against the people. Watch this shortfilm!
Megosztom!
Great video about the history of Hungarian Resistance
This video is about the resistence and revolution of Hungarian people against the financial occupation of Hungary since 2002. From 2002 untill today the liberal-socialist (MSZP-SZDSZ) corrupt terror-goverment is doing the same tricks and crimes like did in the communist dictatorship between 1945-89. This is an anti-Hungarian organized crimegroup collaborating with the IMF, Israel and other international financial systems to collect and steal Hungarian taxpayers money. Today the artificially created national debt is more than 90 billion euros. This is more than 85% of the GDP.This money is not used by the people but artificially created and generated decades ago. It started in 1980.
In the communist period these criminals served the SovietUnion today they are serving the IMF and Israel. This criminal group wants to buy out Hungarian soil, water sources and wants to control international transitpaths. This organized crimegroup help international investors to keep Hungarians on financial slavery. Today the majority of the people hates this small crimegroup. They uses the POLICE as a private army against the people. Watch this shortfilm!
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
Police attacks sitting protest in Hungary
Several thousand members of the Hungarian regime’s police force were called out on Saturday to illegally harass and violently disperse an entirely lawful demonstration held by a few hundred Hungarians in the centre of Budapest.
You can see more photos here.
Gábor Vona, the leader of the opposition Jobbik Movement, who joined the demonstrators in the Evening, was violently removed by the police after being pepper-sprayed. He was then shackled, restrained, removed and arrested; in a truly chilling move entirely unworthy of a European democracy.
The Hungarian police are Europe’s most highly politicized police force whose hierarchy and practices have remained virtually unchanged since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. Increasingly numerous examples (since October 2006) bear witness to the fact that their central function within the precincts of the capital is the violent suppression of legitimate democratic opposition. Officers are now so certain of career advancement if they fulfil this overtly political role, that they no longer even pay lip-service to the prevention of the crime wave which has been sweeping the Hungarian countryside.
The Budapest Police, having successfully banned a previously organized demonstration, were confident that they would be able to intimidate the citizenry, by sheer force of enormous riot-gear clad numbers, from the exercising of their civil rights. They were wrong. Hungarian Law categorically permits demonstrations within a 72 hour window of contemporary events, without any form of prior permission from the authorities. Lawyers from the independent Ombudsman’s office (whose observers were present at the demonstration) have stated that “they will be investigating” the police’s behaviour.
Gabor Vona arrested
The subsequent protest, held by a few hundred members of the Hungarian Guard, their supporters and members of Jobbik; was in response to such a contemporary event. Namely, the ruling by the unelected judges of the Budapest Appeals Court on 2nd July, which called for the disbanding of the Hungarian Guard. That this nakedly political ruling contradicts the spirit of Article 62 of the Hungarian Constitution, Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, and, Article 20 of the Universal declaration of Human Rights; all of which protect the right to Free Assembly; has been noted by several commentators. The judges’ decision also came in a week when independent surveys (such as that carried out by the Somogyi Hírlap) have shown that 80% of people trust the Guard to keep law and order more than their own national police force.
Excessive force
Having peacefully congregated in Erzsébet Square, the supporters and members of the Hungarian Guard (whose regulations strictly prohibit the carrying of any form of weapon, offensive or otherwise) found themselves surrounded by thousands of armed police, bristling with batons and tear-gas canisters and dressed in full riot gear. The protesters were then instructed to disperse or face the consequences.
Outnumbered by thugs
Though unbowed in their determination to continue in their completely lawful protest, the demonstrators nevertheless communicated their entirely peaceful intentions, to the armed men that were “kettling” them, in the globally recognized and universally accepted sign of non-violent resistance: by sitting down.
Peaceful sitting protest
The police responded with a series of callous attacks against the seated demonstrators, in an all too common display of the facial spraying of tear gas at close range and the brutal beating of protestors regardless of age or infirmity. Though defenceless the demonstrators remained defiant and resisted all attempts to beat them into submission; and having failed to prevent the demonstrators from exercising their constitutional civil rights, the police were compelled to forcefully remove and arrest the demonstrators by snatching them individually and dragging them away.
Injured demonstrator
Gábor Vona, the President of Jobbik, had previously arrived at the scene of the demonstration to express solidarity with the demonstrator’s plight, nevertheless, and in a staggering display of contempt for democracy, the police also manhandled, arrested and dragged away the party leader. (as can be seen below) The violent arrest and forcible detention of the leader of a major European opposition party is a sickening development, and without precedent in the 21st Century.
Jobbik, released a statement following the savage attack on the demonstration and the state-sponsored kidnap and deliberately intended intimidation of the leader of a party whose recent European polling came within 2% of the incumbent regime’s: Please click here for the statement.
Several thousand members of the Hungarian regime’s police force were called out on Saturday to illegally harass and violently disperse an entirely lawful demonstration held by a few hundred Hungarians in the centre of Budapest.
You can see more photos here.
Gábor Vona, the leader of the opposition Jobbik Movement, who joined the demonstrators in the Evening, was violently removed by the police after being pepper-sprayed. He was then shackled, restrained, removed and arrested; in a truly chilling move entirely unworthy of a European democracy.
The Hungarian police are Europe’s most highly politicized police force whose hierarchy and practices have remained virtually unchanged since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. Increasingly numerous examples (since October 2006) bear witness to the fact that their central function within the precincts of the capital is the violent suppression of legitimate democratic opposition. Officers are now so certain of career advancement if they fulfil this overtly political role, that they no longer even pay lip-service to the prevention of the crime wave which has been sweeping the Hungarian countryside.
The Budapest Police, having successfully banned a previously organized demonstration, were confident that they would be able to intimidate the citizenry, by sheer force of enormous riot-gear clad numbers, from the exercising of their civil rights. They were wrong. Hungarian Law categorically permits demonstrations within a 72 hour window of contemporary events, without any form of prior permission from the authorities. Lawyers from the independent Ombudsman’s office (whose observers were present at the demonstration) have stated that “they will be investigating” the police’s behaviour.
Gabor Vona arrested
The subsequent protest, held by a few hundred members of the Hungarian Guard, their supporters and members of Jobbik; was in response to such a contemporary event. Namely, the ruling by the unelected judges of the Budapest Appeals Court on 2nd July, which called for the disbanding of the Hungarian Guard. That this nakedly political ruling contradicts the spirit of Article 62 of the Hungarian Constitution, Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, and, Article 20 of the Universal declaration of Human Rights; all of which protect the right to Free Assembly; has been noted by several commentators. The judges’ decision also came in a week when independent surveys (such as that carried out by the Somogyi Hírlap) have shown that 80% of people trust the Guard to keep law and order more than their own national police force.
Excessive force
Having peacefully congregated in Erzsébet Square, the supporters and members of the Hungarian Guard (whose regulations strictly prohibit the carrying of any form of weapon, offensive or otherwise) found themselves surrounded by thousands of armed police, bristling with batons and tear-gas canisters and dressed in full riot gear. The protesters were then instructed to disperse or face the consequences.
Outnumbered by thugs
Though unbowed in their determination to continue in their completely lawful protest, the demonstrators nevertheless communicated their entirely peaceful intentions, to the armed men that were “kettling” them, in the globally recognized and universally accepted sign of non-violent resistance: by sitting down.
Peaceful sitting protest
The police responded with a series of callous attacks against the seated demonstrators, in an all too common display of the facial spraying of tear gas at close range and the brutal beating of protestors regardless of age or infirmity. Though defenceless the demonstrators remained defiant and resisted all attempts to beat them into submission; and having failed to prevent the demonstrators from exercising their constitutional civil rights, the police were compelled to forcefully remove and arrest the demonstrators by snatching them individually and dragging them away.
Injured demonstrator
Gábor Vona, the President of Jobbik, had previously arrived at the scene of the demonstration to express solidarity with the demonstrator’s plight, nevertheless, and in a staggering display of contempt for democracy, the police also manhandled, arrested and dragged away the party leader. (as can be seen below) The violent arrest and forcible detention of the leader of a major European opposition party is a sickening development, and without precedent in the 21st Century.
Jobbik, released a statement following the savage attack on the demonstration and the state-sponsored kidnap and deliberately intended intimidation of the leader of a party whose recent European polling came within 2% of the incumbent regime’s: Please click here for the statement.
Re: Israel plans to devour the world: Hungarian MP
2009-06-24. 10:36 Nyomtatóbarát változat
Megosztom!
Bajnai’s first visit abroad: Israel
Gordon Bajnai, the disgracefully unelected yet reassuringly temporary Prime Minister of Hungary, has departed on his first foreign state visit. His choice of destination comes as little surprise to Jobbik, neither should it shock those who heard Shimon Peres’ speech on the 10th May 2007 in which the Israeli President admitted that his country had succeeded in “buying up Hungary.”
Those of a humorous disposition could be forgiven for thinking that the currently assigned custodian of Israeli business interests in Hungary had been summoned to Head Office to receive his instructions.
But even putting partisan politics aside, given the frequent reporting in Hungary of Mr Peres’ ill-judged remarks, and that the nation is facing the most unprecedented economic crisis in living memory, with an entire generation of Hungarian small business owners and smallholders fearing for their livelihoods and independence like never before: who could possibly question that Mr Bajnai’s choice of destination is anything other than indicative of a scandalous lack of judgement on his part?
The Prime Minister’s disregard for his people is further demonstrated by his continued blissful refusal to face the most pressing concerns of his nation. For as his countrymen are crushed under the weight of the calamitous economic disaster that he himself presides over and that his predecessors orchestrated, Mr Bajnai and his ilk, have judged in their wisdom that it is the struggle against “extremism” that will be their administration’s “first priority;” and not the spiralling fiscal black-hole of debt into which their own signatures have propelled the millions of a once solvent nation, which used to be the economic envy of Eastern Europe.
Mr Bajnai claims that Jobbik’s views “are against Hungary’s interests and damage the country” but then he rather crucially fails to indicate how seeking the full representation of Hungarian interests on the international stage and the protection of Hungarian arable land, its water table, its industries and its national heritage: constitute the “extremism” that he purports to be against.
But if he is so concerned by “extremism”, why is he not so offended by the extremism committed against an entire country? The extremism carried out by countless post-communist officials such as Gyurcsany, Veres, Koka and himself, in conjunction with their globalist partners from 1989 - 2009? The transfer of vast sums in state assets into private foreign hands? The organised tax-evasive transmission of countless billions via off-shore companies by a governing political mafia? The closure of schools and hospitals, post offices and police stations? The utter destruction of an education system that was once studied as an ideal the world over? The toleration and denial of a statistically evidenced criminological fact, namely Roma crime, by a police force that prefers the simpler challenge involved in firing rubber bullets into the faces of demonstrators?
Mr Bajnai is sorely ill-equipped to pass judgement upon what has endangered Hungary “more than anything else over the past twenty years,” for he has been a party to it more than most. In speaking of ideology he draws attention to his own, which consists of nothing more than doing whatever the prevailing political landscape demands for his continued survival. Be that singing The Internationale, as was the case in the past, or indecently stoking the fears of his hosts in Israel, to ensure an enthusiastic reception in the present. Such is the measure of a man, that Hungary now has the dubious pleasure, in this first foreign visit, of sharing with the world.
Perhaps the Prime Minister may be forgiven for refusing to accept that a party, like Jobbik, which on current electoral trends will soon surpass his own ruling MSZP in the polls, cannot by definition be classed as “extreme.”
For Jobbik is the only political party in Hungary unswervingly dedicated to the pursuit, impeachment, prosecution and imprisonment of all those members of the political establishment who have spent the last two decades of their professional and political lives enriching themselves by keeping their hands thrust shoulder-deep in the public purse: and in so doing bankrupted a nation.
Béla Kovács
Foreign Affairs Committee
(Jobbik)
Megosztom!
Bajnai’s first visit abroad: Israel
Gordon Bajnai, the disgracefully unelected yet reassuringly temporary Prime Minister of Hungary, has departed on his first foreign state visit. His choice of destination comes as little surprise to Jobbik, neither should it shock those who heard Shimon Peres’ speech on the 10th May 2007 in which the Israeli President admitted that his country had succeeded in “buying up Hungary.”
Those of a humorous disposition could be forgiven for thinking that the currently assigned custodian of Israeli business interests in Hungary had been summoned to Head Office to receive his instructions.
But even putting partisan politics aside, given the frequent reporting in Hungary of Mr Peres’ ill-judged remarks, and that the nation is facing the most unprecedented economic crisis in living memory, with an entire generation of Hungarian small business owners and smallholders fearing for their livelihoods and independence like never before: who could possibly question that Mr Bajnai’s choice of destination is anything other than indicative of a scandalous lack of judgement on his part?
The Prime Minister’s disregard for his people is further demonstrated by his continued blissful refusal to face the most pressing concerns of his nation. For as his countrymen are crushed under the weight of the calamitous economic disaster that he himself presides over and that his predecessors orchestrated, Mr Bajnai and his ilk, have judged in their wisdom that it is the struggle against “extremism” that will be their administration’s “first priority;” and not the spiralling fiscal black-hole of debt into which their own signatures have propelled the millions of a once solvent nation, which used to be the economic envy of Eastern Europe.
Mr Bajnai claims that Jobbik’s views “are against Hungary’s interests and damage the country” but then he rather crucially fails to indicate how seeking the full representation of Hungarian interests on the international stage and the protection of Hungarian arable land, its water table, its industries and its national heritage: constitute the “extremism” that he purports to be against.
But if he is so concerned by “extremism”, why is he not so offended by the extremism committed against an entire country? The extremism carried out by countless post-communist officials such as Gyurcsany, Veres, Koka and himself, in conjunction with their globalist partners from 1989 - 2009? The transfer of vast sums in state assets into private foreign hands? The organised tax-evasive transmission of countless billions via off-shore companies by a governing political mafia? The closure of schools and hospitals, post offices and police stations? The utter destruction of an education system that was once studied as an ideal the world over? The toleration and denial of a statistically evidenced criminological fact, namely Roma crime, by a police force that prefers the simpler challenge involved in firing rubber bullets into the faces of demonstrators?
Mr Bajnai is sorely ill-equipped to pass judgement upon what has endangered Hungary “more than anything else over the past twenty years,” for he has been a party to it more than most. In speaking of ideology he draws attention to his own, which consists of nothing more than doing whatever the prevailing political landscape demands for his continued survival. Be that singing The Internationale, as was the case in the past, or indecently stoking the fears of his hosts in Israel, to ensure an enthusiastic reception in the present. Such is the measure of a man, that Hungary now has the dubious pleasure, in this first foreign visit, of sharing with the world.
Perhaps the Prime Minister may be forgiven for refusing to accept that a party, like Jobbik, which on current electoral trends will soon surpass his own ruling MSZP in the polls, cannot by definition be classed as “extreme.”
For Jobbik is the only political party in Hungary unswervingly dedicated to the pursuit, impeachment, prosecution and imprisonment of all those members of the political establishment who have spent the last two decades of their professional and political lives enriching themselves by keeping their hands thrust shoulder-deep in the public purse: and in so doing bankrupted a nation.
Béla Kovács
Foreign Affairs Committee
(Jobbik)